[MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism

[David M]

Hi Matt

Yes, DMB has to answer it too, but I like picking on you,
your my favourite. I think we need the distinction because there
is a non-linguistic element to experience. I find your reluctance
to talk apples suspicious, but well done you've taken the forbidden
fruit. Realism requires us to have an ability to answer questions about
nature via the non-linguistic signs of nature, this is what science has
to deal with, what is created in controlled experiments and tested.

DM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Kundert" <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism


> David,
>
> David said:
> I agree with DMB that we do need this distinction in the MOQ, it being
> pragmatic and realist rather than pragmatic and irrealist like Matt, 
> Rorty,
> etc.
>
> Matt:
> Well, I'm just not sure what the distinction is supposed to amount to, 
> what
> its supposed to do.  If it looks like Kant, I don't see why we need it.  I
> gave another roll of the dice and it looked the same as what I was saying.
> I think the same thing of what DMB replied.  The basic response I've seen 
> in
> the past (which is the same thing Carnap did when pressured about his
> positivism) is a pragmatic one: hey, its what works from experience.  You
> can't say its adequate to experience, because that's correspondence.  So 
> you
> say it works.  But once you say that, I think a lot of the utility of the
> distinction disappears for philosophical work.
>
> David said
> Hey Matt, you did not answer my question about whether there is a
> non-linguistic aspect to the taste of an apple?
>
> Matt:
> Well, I thought I'd answered that question enough for you (being as you 
> ask
> it every month or two).  Yes, of course there is.
>
> And why don't you ask DMB that question?  He's the one that said that
> Pirsig's an industrial strength idealist, which unglossed doesn't bode 
> well
> for the non-linguistic.
>
> Matt
>
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