[MD] A French revolutionary thought

[Heather Perella]

Hello Pirsig (had to include him, he made some
comments included in our recent posts), Arlo, Khaled,
Craig, and others,

     Pirsig said, taken from Arlo's quote of him: 
"The creator of it feels no particular sense of
identity with it. The owner of it feels no particular
sense of identity with it. The user of it feels no
particular sense of identity with it. Hence, by
Phædrus’ definition, it has no Quality."

      Identity and Quality.  I remember when Khaled
reminded me of this statement.  Identity?  Identity or
thought, this would be static quality.  Dynamic
quality is defining or in other words, identifying the
undefined.  Just saying something is DQ is static
quality, yet, it is the care taken to understand and
recognize the meaning of such concepts put forth. 
Thus, DQ can be valued, meaning and care in this
identification of such DQ values does not separate an
event from having quality.  As we define DQ into
further distinction and identification - have what on
the intellectual level is a thought.  Thought is SQ. 
Degrees of definition has SQ become either more
defined, solid, and static latching holds any further
interpretation from occurring.  Yet, the degree of
definition is measured in the other direction, too. 
Thus, the less something is defined and capable of
having any intellectual thought placed upon the event
for identification and thus, definition we find our
scope widening into a more DQ event.

     Khaled said:  "...I wonder when I see people
acquiring stuff and the high they get from that."

     If the 'high' is the care or meaning that lasts
for some purpose that is of value to the buyer, then
this is ok right?
     If the 'high' is the biological immediate
gratification in having something popular or new
without any care taken in understanding its' use,
connected relational system that has it exist in the
first place.  Thus, buying something that benefits and
upholds a connected system that is tied with
dominating biological or social values with no care
for the intellectual - example: buying sugar cane in
the 1700's: this upheld slavery, Thomas Jefferson was
intellectual enough to promote maple sugar over sugar
cane.  For one he said it would make this country more
independent (sounds currently familiar [oil]) and
secondly, he noticed the lack of independence in a
country that held slaves (though I believe he had
slaves, so what kind of dialog he held to rid a system
that he himself was caught up in, I don't know - other
than this maple sugar promotion.  Yet, in hindsight
how easy it is for us to condemn somebody who was
caught up in an existing system of thought when we
ourselves are stuck in a system, buying and thus,
upholding a system of thought that in future hindsight
others may wonder 'where were their heads?'.

     Pirsig said taken from Arlo's quote in earlier
posting:  "...being part of the world..."

     Is this where we are still at?  Calling for
holistic perspective?  This catch phrase has been
around for some time now with all of the introductions
of massage therapy, acupuncture, martial arts,
meditation, and don't forget the Amerindian
introductions and early settlers soon realized way of
living and 'sport' of fishing, hunting, canoeing,
kayaking, vision quests, and the age old worldly
action walkabout or known as plain old walking around
living and taking note of the world at hand (note
Pirsig's motorcycling across country and sail
boating).

     Arlo said:  "...but denying that there is any
concern (as Pirsig had) for the valuistic
underpinnings, the foundational metaphysics, of
individuals in the market."

     This is the chaotic trying to rise and overthrow
the intellect from the depths of quantum underpinning
where definition becomes weak, appears as if it is DQ,
and then... and then... what might we come to identify
the values as?  Will we all definition to occur, and
static quality to come about or will it stay firm in
its' indefinability even though the value is
definitely inorganic, biological, social, and/or
intellectual?  If, it is definitely on the level of
one of these, then chaos has no place and it could be
DQ run wild far beyond the balance that holds static
quality in place long enough for us to recognize what
exactly is happening, valued, and to be identified.  I
say this if it is denied.  Yet, to lurk into a system
of thought, notice its' ways, and see beyond its' SOM
current mercantilism ways, then to come back with
resolutions from the top of the mountain, dharmakaya
light, the dreamtime, vision quest, walkabout,
wandering in the desert, the shaman's journey to the
underworld or spiritworld, meditation, and to, as I
said, come back with that completeness amidst the
shattered mind that needs put back together again. 
That's a doctor of life, a shaman to humankind, a
world builder, and etc...
 
     Craig said:  "You've (Arlo) identified the SOM
mindset as the problem--why tar the free market with
the same brush?"

     I apologize Arlo for butting in on this comment. 
I think you would answer, and I guess this is a test
to how much I know you so forgive me if I have stepped
out of bounds, you would answer with a, I have not
tarred the free market.  Where did you get that idea? 
Unless I missed something not made distinct and thus,
clearly identified with the use of static quality in
this general comment by Craig.  Therefore Craig,
please identify where free market and SOM are one and
the same thing.

Thanks everybody,

SA   

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