[MD] MoQ as religion

[Heather Perella]

Hello Kevin, Ilya, DM if you will, and others,

     Your comment Kevin, does it come down to belief
in MOQ?  The key word here is belief.  I asked DM
about this in the other religious thread going on and
you are also involved with.  He said MOQ is more than
just belief.  I would like DM to comment on your quote
of Pirsig in this thread and the point you (Kevin)
seem to be making.  Maybe there is something more than
just belief in MOQ in your perspective, maybe not.  I
see a contrast in positions here between DM and
yourself, on this position of belief and religious
tone that MOQ may take on with all or some people.  
     I am beginning to settle upon where MOQ fits into
my spiritual/religious experience, using MOQ
terminology, and the action it takes in the usurping
of static filtering.  This latter settles and
satisfies my previous view that I have come to know by
living.  The former applies words and thus, more
identification and definition to what I did previously
view, but in dialog did not have these words to
explain for common understanding to what I
experienced.  By common understanding, I mean a public
dictionary to look up words and meanings that many
people could do just that - look up words, that have
not been tainted by static cultural filtering that
does change the meaning of words overtime.  This makes
it difficult at times to explain something with the
use of certain words that have taken on an extra
meaning in the cultural experience of individuals, for
example the SOM mindset that possible may find meaning
in certain words under its' own SOM guidelines or
static filtering.  Yet, using a more MOQ (which I find
similar to Zen experiences,Christ experiences [not
particularly Christian, but yes Christ], shamanistic
experiences, etc...) mindset would underline a
different meaning for the same words and concepts at
times, thereby using MOQ terminology explains for this
current SOM culture a more common or public usage
creativity made available and defined by Pirsig's
foundational dictionaries namely ZMM and Lila.

     This common understanding or in other words,
public understanding angles towards what you probably
referred to as follows:  "So there shouldn't be any
question about what it is and what it is not.  But
questions abound."

     We are cultivating a dictionary here that has
definitions we may all come to agree upon and trust
others to look-up words in, in which a new language,
thus a language tainted with a MOQ mindset, would need
in any writing culture in order for a MOQ culture
having public and common understanding so we may
communicate effectively.  Thus, is belief fundamental
to this paradigm shift?  I don't fully know as of yet.
 What do others think?  Ilya, if you may state what
you agree upon in a more elaborate way it may help me
understand where Kevin and you are coming from.    


SA

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