[MD] MoQ as religion

[Heather Perella]

Ooopps! sorry, I resent this because I was thanking
Arlo, but not that I shouldn't thank Arlo, it was Ian
that shocked my mind back onto track.  Thus, thank you
Ian for your DQ intervention!

Hello Ian, Kevin, David, and others,

> Hello,
> 
> > Hi SA, I see David has responded (I'll mention
> that
> > later) ...
> > 
> > You asked what I was responding to ..
> > You said ..
> > "the way I understand science, science does not
> > recognize 'thought'
> > existing, therefore, the limits of rational
> thought
> > belongs in the
> > field of philosophy, not science.  In science, it
> is
> > just hormones and
> > atoms, etc... that are here."
> > 
> > I was pointing out that's a ludicrously narrow
> view
> > of science and scientists.
> > 
> > Of course science and scientists recognise
> "thought"
> > as existing, as
> > being there, etc. It / they just recognise it as a
> > hard problem to
> > explain from a traditional, classical scientific
> > pertspective. And it
> > / they do make many attempts to explain (in
> > scientific ways) Dennett,
> > Chalmers and others are getting very close with
> very
> > "scientific"
> > approaches. (see Matt's current threads too) The
> > brain vs mind duality
> > is a myth, answered by MoQ monism.
>     Repeat after me.
> > Theoretical physics (science) IS actual
> metaphysics
> > (philosophy).
> > Drawing artificial lines and demarcations around
> > "fields of thought"
> > is simply applying a human static pattern.
> 
>      I understand what you are saying here, and I
> agree to a point.  When I look at what a scientist
> does and what a philosopher does, I notice a
> different
> angle in their approach to the same thing that
> latter
> being the universe.  Now with all of these different
> fields of thought (I agree scientists use thought)
> their approach is unique unto themselves.  In
> another
> way of thinking about this, the psychriatrist is
> another kind of philosopher which is another kind of
> shaman.  The shaman may have been the more complete
> human being out of these three.  Why?  The shaman
> recognized all that came into contact with human
> experience and gave explanations, as well as,
> renewed
> the society, their biology, and the earth itself was
> tied to their ceremonies.  After saying all of this
> I
> do recognize your jolt of my mind back into the MOQ
> and I thank you.  The MOQ is well aware of not just
> old shamantic ways, but is here and now fitting into
> a
> culture and explaining a culture and world mindset
> that has become diversified into so many paths that
> the generalized notions of the shaman was dearly
> missing.  MOQ to the rescue!  Or in this case it may
> well be Arlo weed picking my mind getting some of
> those roots out of there so the garden will grow
> well
> this spring.  Thanks Arlo! 
>  
> > David said to you ..
> > But to me 'merge' is a slippery word as it can be
> > confused with simple
> > addition and dynamic quality cannot be added to
> > anything. It's already
> > there to begin with.
> > 
> > I say - Absolutely - this is my point about naive
> > views of "science".
> > Few things are simply "additive" analytical /
> > reductionist arguments
> > (like Squonk's) have very limited applicability.
> > (Dynamic) Quality
> > highlights this two way ineffability of cause and
> > effect - things are
> > "emergent" with the dynamic interactions - not
> > simply caused-by or
> > made-from atomic components.
>   
>      You may well have seen my response to this. 
> Thanks
> 
> SA
> 
> 
> 
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