[MD] Religious experience & thinking in an MOQ context

[David M]

Hi SA

I would simply say that religion was about how to
live your life and how to come to terms with existence
as we find it. We are thrown as innocents into existence,
we find beauty, creation, destruction and death and constant change.
We must die ourselves. Before that we need to live together on this
singular plane. What else is there? 

Of course, bad religion deals with existence by trying to lie about how
things really are because its leaders do not like how things really are.

I would say good religion is trying to find a way to live with the truth,
philosophy creates truth, religion asks if we can live with the truth,
how big is the burden of truth, how does the truth make us feel, etc.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Heather Perella" <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Religious experience & thinking in an MOQ context


> Hello,
> 
> 
>> SA:>     When you say, "existence" in the above
>> context
>> > within "...the relationship of existence..." do
>> you
>> > mean static quality, and therefore the
>> relationship
>> > between static quality and dynamic quality is the
>> > flux, death, and creativity that the awe of
>> religious
>> > impulse is found to be due to these being moments
>> > where static is meeting dynamic or vice versa.
>> >     "...critical thought (about life,
>> experience..."
>> > "...same territory as..." and you mention
>> philosophy. 
>> 
>> 
>> DM: Not sure what the question is here. Obviously
>> you
>> need SQ to notice the comings and goings of DQ.
> 
>     My effort here is to have in mind the religious
> nature, experience, and thinking in an MOQ context. 
> Thus, I am trying to locate where you might point out
> the religion in quality.  Is this religious experience
> in the (to paraphrase you) SQ noticing the comings and
> goings of DQ?  
> 
>> > I thought critical thought is exactly philosophy. 
>> > Thus, philosophy is in the same territory or found
>> to
>> > be in all fields of the human sphere, according to
>> > what you are saying?  Some fields have latched
>> onto
>> > static quality in which the static filter has very
>> > small holes letting not much DQ pass through and
>> > become part of  the current world view.?
>> 
>> DM: I see existence as a sea of DQ with a few
>> islands
>> of SQ. And yes science has mainly focussed on SQ to
>> date,
>> for obvious reasons.
> 
>     I guess my point here was that to step back and
> state, as you did, critical thinking and then to
> identify other fields such as philosophy, religion,
> and science might be more of how I interpreted what
> you said, then what you exactly said.  When I saw you
> state philosophy and critical thinking separated from
> each other this did not make sense to me.  I don't
> notice critical thinking as being some separate field
> from philosophy.  Philosophy is critical thinking, and
> any critical thinking that takes place in any other
> field is just philosophy.  Thus, when religion
> critically thinks, they are using philosophy to
> understand religion and the same with science.  This
> makes philosophy universal in the intellectual field
> of play.  Yet, I thought religion, even when using
> philosophy, adds something else to the field of play
> into its' inquiry and practice of ?  
>     Question mark because in the MOQ context I am
> lacking at this moment a definable religion that we
> may staticly latch as an identifiable religion in a
> MOQ context, unless, it is the awe in DQ coming to
> light as we notice it at the peripheral of our
> consciousness, yet, not defined concretely enough, but
> soon may and thus, when it is we have static quality. 
> An example of this would be what happened to me
> yesterday.  I was walking from the woods into a plowed
> and fallow field with my wife and dog and I eventually
> discussed with her.  What I was conscious of at the
> time (birds singing where they where singing, the
> trees, the field, the woods to our backs, my wife, the
> dog, etc...) was static.  Then at the edge of what I
> was conscious of I noticed something.  Then I
> eventually identified what it was.  So first I was not
> conscious of it, because it was not present.  Then I
> was vaguely conscious of it, but did not fully wake-up
> to what it was.  Then it pushed into what I was
> conscious of with such force I recognized it for what
> it was.  The wind blowing in the trees just ahead of
> us.  The identification of the wind occurred some
> moments after it hammered at my awareness in such a
> way that my static consciousness eventually changed
> dynamically (DQ) and the world at that time changed
> for me.  I heard a wind in the trees with everything
> else happening that I never experienced before.  This
> kind of static quality lasts until a bird flies by and
> my world view is dynamically changed to include the
> bird flying by.  Simple example, but truly something
> that happened and I hope it gets my point and
> questions across with clarity.
> 
> Thanks,
> SA
> 
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