[MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism

[David M]

Hi Scott

Just that some of the interactions between
patterns involve the sort of messages that don't
give the receiving pattern an option, you feel
the heat you get the burn, a better example
perhaps is being tied to the oven.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism


> David M,
>
> I guess I don't understand what you are getting at here. My biological
> intelligence gets me off a hot stove right away. If I'm about to step in 
> the
> path of a truck, and someone yells "Watch out", my linguistic intelligence
> reacts quickly as well. There are habits at all levels.
>
> - Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
> Scott
>
> Well I think you need to see how the levels are
> different here and that some forms of interaction
> between patterns at or across certain levels involve
> an inability of the receiving pattern to respond in any
> way other than one and that those responses can be
> highly destructive to the receiving local pattern. The
> mistake of materialism is to thing this specific form
> of interaction is the only one.
>
> DM
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
>> David M,
>>
>> Scott wrote:
>> The problem with 'source' talk is that it tends to imply causality, but I
>> see causality as a characteristic of the semiotic, not of
>> Consciousness-without-an-object. That is, it within the semiotic that one
>> gets spatiotemporality and causality (and other forms).
>>
>> DM said: I have a question/problem with this. Sure most interactions can
>> be
>> characterised as information, but all? Sure patterns interact, 
>> information
>> is exchanged, resulting in change. But some messages do not come with
>> a reinterpretation or a open to being ignored option. How would you
>> characterise a rock falling on my head or the oven burning my bottom?
>>
>> Scott:
>> I wouldn't know how to characterize them with surety. My guess is that 
>> the
>> level of reinterpretation and options lies at a much broader level than
>> that
>> of rocks and pains. There isn't much in the way of reinterpretaion to be
>> done with the letter 's' in the preceding sentence, but it is needed to
>> make
>> some of the words, which are needed to make the sentence. And even 
>> though
>> as a sign it is determined by the broader context, it does have some
>> significance.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
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