[MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism

[David M]

because it may mean that the cat sat on someone called mat and
cat is a dog called cat, etc.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism


> David M,
>
> How is that different from hearing a straightforward factual sentence?
> Assuming you know the language, and what all the words mean, then on 
> hearing
> "The cat sat on the mat", you can't help but get that message.
>
> - Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
> Hi Scott
>
> Just that some of the interactions between
> patterns involve the sort of messages that don't
> give the receiving pattern an option, you feel
> the heat you get the burn, a better example
> perhaps is being tied to the oven.
>
> DM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
>> David M,
>>
>> I guess I don't understand what you are getting at here. My biological
>> intelligence gets me off a hot stove right away. If I'm about to step in
>> the
>> path of a truck, and someone yells "Watch out", my linguistic 
>> intelligence
>> reacts quickly as well. There are habits at all levels.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Well I think you need to see how the levels are
>> different here and that some forms of interaction
>> between patterns at or across certain levels involve
>> an inability of the receiving pattern to respond in any
>> way other than one and that those responses can be
>> highly destructive to the receiving local pattern. The
>> mistake of materialism is to thing this specific form
>> of interaction is the only one.
>>
>> DM
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>
>>
>>> David M,
>>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>> The problem with 'source' talk is that it tends to imply causality, but 
>>> I
>>> see causality as a characteristic of the semiotic, not of
>>> Consciousness-without-an-object. That is, it within the semiotic that 
>>> one
>>> gets spatiotemporality and causality (and other forms).
>>>
>>> DM said: I have a question/problem with this. Sure most interactions can
>>> be
>>> characterised as information, but all? Sure patterns interact,
>>> information
>>> is exchanged, resulting in change. But some messages do not come with
>>> a reinterpretation or a open to being ignored option. How would you
>>> characterise a rock falling on my head or the oven burning my bottom?
>>>
>>> Scott:
>>> I wouldn't know how to characterize them with surety. My guess is that
>>> the
>>> level of reinterpretation and options lies at a much broader level than
>>> that
>>> of rocks and pains. There isn't much in the way of reinterpretaion to be
>>> done with the letter 's' in the preceding sentence, but it is needed to
>>> make
>>> some of the words, which are needed to make the sentence. And even
>>> though
>>> as a sign it is determined by the broader context, it does have some
>>> significance.
>>>
>>> - Scott
>>>
>>>
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