[MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism

[Scott Roberts]

David M,

Context takes care of all those possibilities, just as it does with 
biological messages. (Actually, in this case the grammar is wrong for both 
of those possibilities you mention.)

- Scott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:04 PM
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because it may mean that the cat sat on someone called mat and
cat is a dog called cat, etc.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:53 PM
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> David M,
>
> How is that different from hearing a straightforward factual sentence?
> Assuming you know the language, and what all the words mean, then on
> hearing
> "The cat sat on the mat", you can't help but get that message.
>
> - Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
> Hi Scott
>
> Just that some of the interactions between
> patterns involve the sort of messages that don't
> give the receiving pattern an option, you feel
> the heat you get the burn, a better example
> perhaps is being tied to the oven.
>
> DM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
>> David M,
>>
>> I guess I don't understand what you are getting at here. My biological
>> intelligence gets me off a hot stove right away. If I'm about to step in
>> the
>> path of a truck, and someone yells "Watch out", my linguistic
>> intelligence
>> reacts quickly as well. There are habits at all levels.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Well I think you need to see how the levels are
>> different here and that some forms of interaction
>> between patterns at or across certain levels involve
>> an inability of the receiving pattern to respond in any
>> way other than one and that those responses can be
>> highly destructive to the receiving local pattern. The
>> mistake of materialism is to thing this specific form
>> of interaction is the only one.
>>
>> DM
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>
>>
>>> David M,
>>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>> The problem with 'source' talk is that it tends to imply causality, but
>>> I
>>> see causality as a characteristic of the semiotic, not of
>>> Consciousness-without-an-object. That is, it within the semiotic that
>>> one
>>> gets spatiotemporality and causality (and other forms).
>>>
>>> DM said: I have a question/problem with this. Sure most interactions can
>>> be
>>> characterised as information, but all? Sure patterns interact,
>>> information
>>> is exchanged, resulting in change. But some messages do not come with
>>> a reinterpretation or a open to being ignored option. How would you
>>> characterise a rock falling on my head or the oven burning my bottom?
>>>
>>> Scott:
>>> I wouldn't know how to characterize them with surety. My guess is that
>>> the
>>> level of reinterpretation and options lies at a much broader level than
>>> that
>>> of rocks and pains. There isn't much in the way of reinterpretaion to be
>>> done with the letter 's' in the preceding sentence, but it is needed to
>>> make
>>> some of the words, which are needed to make the sentence. And even
>>> though
>>> as a sign it is determined by the broader context, it does have some
>>> significance.
>>>
>>> - Scott
>>>
>>>
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