[MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism

[David M]

Hi Scott

Well I suppose so, if I get your meaning.
So a message from a heat source to biological
flesh could be to de-structure (burn), and what seems
to the person to be a cause, is a lower level message
and response taking place. But at a level where the human-
conscious level has no response choice.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism


> David M,
>
> Context takes care of all those possibilities, just as it does with
> biological messages. (Actually, in this case the grammar is wrong for both
> of those possibilities you mention.)
>
> - Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
> because it may mean that the cat sat on someone called mat and
> cat is a dog called cat, etc.
>
> DM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>
>
>> David M,
>>
>> How is that different from hearing a straightforward factual sentence?
>> Assuming you know the language, and what all the words mean, then on
>> hearing
>> "The cat sat on the mat", you can't help but get that message.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 12:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>
>>
>> Hi Scott
>>
>> Just that some of the interactions between
>> patterns involve the sort of messages that don't
>> give the receiving pattern an option, you feel
>> the heat you get the burn, a better example
>> perhaps is being tied to the oven.
>>
>> DM
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>
>>
>>> David M,
>>>
>>> I guess I don't understand what you are getting at here. My biological
>>> intelligence gets me off a hot stove right away. If I'm about to step in
>>> the
>>> path of a truck, and someone yells "Watch out", my linguistic
>>> intelligence
>>> reacts quickly as well. There are habits at all levels.
>>>
>>> - Scott
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Well I think you need to see how the levels are
>>> different here and that some forms of interaction
>>> between patterns at or across certain levels involve
>>> an inability of the receiving pattern to respond in any
>>> way other than one and that those responses can be
>>> highly destructive to the receiving local pattern. The
>>> mistake of materialism is to thing this specific form
>>> of interaction is the only one.
>>>
>>> DM
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
>>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Experience, essentialism, physicalism
>>>
>>>
>>>> David M,
>>>>
>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>> The problem with 'source' talk is that it tends to imply causality, but
>>>> I
>>>> see causality as a characteristic of the semiotic, not of
>>>> Consciousness-without-an-object. That is, it within the semiotic that
>>>> one
>>>> gets spatiotemporality and causality (and other forms).
>>>>
>>>> DM said: I have a question/problem with this. Sure most interactions 
>>>> can
>>>> be
>>>> characterised as information, but all? Sure patterns interact,
>>>> information
>>>> is exchanged, resulting in change. But some messages do not come with
>>>> a reinterpretation or a open to being ignored option. How would you
>>>> characterise a rock falling on my head or the oven burning my bottom?
>>>>
>>>> Scott:
>>>> I wouldn't know how to characterize them with surety. My guess is that
>>>> the
>>>> level of reinterpretation and options lies at a much broader level than
>>>> that
>>>> of rocks and pains. There isn't much in the way of reinterpretaion to 
>>>> be
>>>> done with the letter 's' in the preceding sentence, but it is needed to
>>>> make
>>>> some of the words, which are needed to make the sentence. And even
>>>> though
>>>> as a sign it is determined by the broader context, it does have some
>>>> significance.
>>>>
>>>> - Scott
>>>>
>>>>
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