[MD] Why the return to literal anti-intellectual religion

[Platt Holden]

Hi Horse, 

H: 
> > > I did on the basis that I have met and talked to DMB. However, the
> > > above, regarding Miller and his political sympathies is misleading
> > > because there is no proper indication as to where Miller's political
> > > sympathies lie. Only your insinuations.

P: 
> > His signing of the World Can't Wait screed certainly indicates where
> > his political sympathies lie. Your signing indicates the same.

H:
> In fact it says very little except that that I'm against the war in
> Iraq. I know personally a number of people who think similarly and whose
> political affiliations vary across the right to left political spectrum.

I'd say the World Can't Wait petition you have signed says a lot more 
than simply you're "against the war in Iraq." Do you disagree with any 
of the following statements contained in the petition (taking into 
account it is addressed to Americans)?

"Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a 
murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in 
their sights.

"Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

"Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing 
them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in 
the dead of night.

"Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a 
narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

"Your government suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, 
political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations 
to pay a terrible price.

"Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, 
the right to birth control and abortion.

"Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and 
ignorance.

"People look at all this and think of Hitler — and they are right to do 
so. The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very 
quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come. We must act 
now; the future is in the balance.

"Millions and millions are deeply disturbed and outraged by this. They 
recognize the need for a vehicle to express this outrage, yet they 
cannot find it; politics as usual cannot meet the enormity of the 
challenge, and people sense this.

"There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing." People who 
steal elections and believe they're on a "mission from God" will not go 
without a fight.

"There is not going to be some savior from the Democratic Party. This 
whole idea of putting our hopes and energies into "leaders" who tell us 
to seek common ground with fascists and religious fanatics is proving 
every day to be a disaster, and actually serves to demobilize people.

"But silence and paralysis are NOT acceptable. That which you will not 
resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn — or be forced — to accept. 
There is no escaping it: the whole disastrous course of this Bush 
regime must be STOPPED. And we must take the responsibility to do it.

"And there is a way. We are talking about something on a scale that can 
really make a huge change in this country and in the world. We need 
more than fighting Bush's outrages one at a time, constantly losing 
ground to the whole onslaught. We must, and can, aim to create a 
political situation where the Bush regime's program is repudiated, 
where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction 
he has been taking society is reversed. We, in our millions, must and 
can take responsibility to change the course of history.

"Acting in this way, we join with and give support and heart to people 
all over the globe who so urgently need and want this regime to be 
stopped. 

"This will not be easy. If we speak the truth, they will try to silence 
us. If we act, they will try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, 
here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to 
reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Bush and we 
are NOT going to stop.

"The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had 
right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. 
And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it 
out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever 
imagined. The future is unwritten. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.

"The World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime!

"Sign the call now!"

If you agree with all or most of these statements, your political 
leanings are not very well hidden.

H:
> There's nothing insidious about admitting your political leanings.
> What's insidious is your unsubstantiated claims regarding Millers
> political leanings and the attempt to associate DMB with those
> unsubstantiated claims. 

Wouldn't you agree that anyone signing the above petition leans to the 
left of the political spectrum? 

P:
> > Did you check out?
> > 
> > http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20051203143218921  

H: 
> Yes and this is what I mean by hearsay, tittle-tattle and mutterings.
> Colin Sick offers no evidence for his claim - he merely makes the
> statement. But as I said above, can you offer  anything other than
> hearsay, tittle-tattle or mutterings to show that WCW is affiliated to
> RCP. It is pretty obvious that the answer here is that you have no
> evidence.
 
What evidence do you show that the referred website offers nothing by 
hearsay, tittle-tattle and mutterings? I'll answer for you -- none. As 
for further evidence of the World Won't Wait bunch being a front for 
the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) take a gander at:

http://www.zombietime.com/world_cant_wait_sf_11-2-2005/

So you assertion about my having no further evidence obviously misses 
it's intended mark. Of course, you can dismiss the evidence if you 
wish, just as many have dismissed the evidence of an abundance of left-
wing college professors, not to mention the mainstream media. 

Platt