[MD] French ingredient in the soup of sentiments

[Joseph Bromley]

Hello SA and all,
                      I've been struggling with how to answer your question. 
By biological, I mean the rabble, those who operate on the biological level, 
those whose motives are biological. The kind of people who scream at their 
kids, as if that is the only way to control them. The type of people who 
resort to using their fists when their pride is offended. The type of people 
who have little social skills inate in them. Now a great strength and 
consequently a weakness is that these people can be taught intellectual 
patterns of value, but so can computers, which does not make them 
intellectual. The rabble are primarily cunning beasts, who exploit all 
around them, they have not always been on top. They began to become 
ascendant with the revolutions when the world was shifting from monarchies 
to democracies. In a democracy they have an equal voice even though they 
generally lack social and intellectual motives. They are biological 
entities. The question should have been is it wise for them to be given a 
say in how the levels above them are run?
    Democracy is intellectual, from the point of view of the maths, science 
and psychology involved in maintaining a democratic government. Democracy is 
the current dominant force in government, more and mor countries are 
becoming democratic, either through choice or having it forced apon them. 
Thjis does not mean that the politicians on show are intellectual, George W 
Bush as the prime example. This does not mean that the people voting in 
democratic elections are intellectual, religiously and ideologically 
blinkered people vote around the world. If the intellect is to achieve 
dominance over the social level can it do so with having to go cap in hand 
to those on the social and biological levels for validation? Is that not 
immoral by MOQ morality?

I am of course arguing for a possible change of values for a future age, one 
far more mature then democracy. Democracy is not the perfection of 
governmental systems, if it where the goal of evolutionary politics, 
perfection would be here and now. Who can honestly say that we have 
perfection today? Who of us would want to be involved in politics today? To 
play with one of Bill Hick's phrases I would not want to "suck Satan's 
cock." To want to be a politician today is to have no intellectual 
integrity, with the "rights" of journalists there is no privacy, is that not 
against the rights of the individual? Is a national figure not of higher 
value than a journalist or the average reader of a newspaper?

Hope this helps or at least gets the old grey matter thinking.

>From: Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] French ingredient in the soup of sentiments
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hello JCB,
>
>      Will you please pin-point what you meant by this
>as I quote you here:  "Is this intellectually moral,
>letting the biological have a
>say on what the intellect can do?"  What is biological
>in your statement, and what is intellect in your
>statement.  Here is the last half of the paragraph
>that I took the quote of yours from as follows:
>
>      "All the best buildings where built on the wealth
>of the slave trade, just as Roman buildings where
>built on its army and conquered peoples, the Egyptian
>pyramids on subjugated peoples indiginous and foriegn.
>But slavery has become a bad word, it is against human
>rights. Well it costs beauty in architecture to uphold
>this right. But are not most people a slave to the
>dollar? Me, I would have the rabble, those who operate
>predominantly on the biolgical level, us their
>biological
>energy to build great buildings, everyone benefits.
>The rabble need
>controling, eithout control they breed like rabbits
>and control the streets.  But in a demoncracy, all
>people equal to a vote, they rule, for there are more
>of them. Is this intellectually moral, letting the
>biological have a say on what the intellect can do?
>Even Socrates and Plato had higher visions but the
>world will have to wait for philosopher kings, or to
>coin a phrase, Arete sapien, an evolutionary step
>forwards."
>
>
>Thanks,
>SA
>
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