[MD] Defining Dynamic Quality

[David M]

Ant

Thanks for refs. All good cornering work, Pirsig rates
highly for his out of the holy cupboard works of popular
fiction. But the moment is now lost. We await a new push,
I think that the fall of scientism and the political dualism
of capitalism and communism may offer a new chance,
philosophy needs to think again, looking for new human
projects that have a better inner/outer, individual/social
balance.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ant McWatt" <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: [MD] Defining Dynamic Quality


> David Morey stated April 13th 2006:
>
>>Hi Ant
>>
>>Your changes are good. But you know I think the time has come
>>for DQ to be very precisely framed, or cornered, because it needs
>>to come out of the cult cupboard, and become available to everyone,
>>even Matt.
>
>
> David,
>
> As Dynamic Quality is the continuum that enables things to exist, it is
> beyond definition.  As David E.Cooper ("The Measure of Things", 2002, 
> p.311)
> notes:
>
> "Emptiness is 'wondrous' not because it is an amazingly grand and 
> impressive
> phenomenon, but because it is the necessarily inexplicable source of the
> possibility of the world, and hence that to which the being of the world 
> and
> of ourselves owes.  Again, one is reminded of Wittgenstein: 'it is not how
> things are in the world that is mystical, but _that_ it exists...' to
> experience 'wonder at the existence of the world.'  ["Tractatus", 6. 44.]
> This is to wonder at the very possibility of there being a world and 
> hence,
> for Buddhists, at the emptiness which, uncluttered by things found within
> the world, allows there to be a world in a way that necessarily resists
> explanation and understanding."
>
> The introduction of Professor Cooper's very "non-cult" text can be found 
> at:
>
> http://www.oup.co.uk/pdf/0-19-823827-4.pdf
>
> There's also John Blofeld's "Taoist Mystery and Magic" which quotes a 
> number
> of Taoist masters about Dynamic Quality, the work of Nagarjuna and
> commentries on his work such as Jay Garfield's "The Fundamental Wisdom of
> the Middle Way" (see Paul Turner's Twelve Links blog at
> www.twelvelinks.blogspot.com for more details).  Other than the Pirsig
> material available in his texts and at the roberpirsig.org website, I 
> think
> that is good as you're going to get in "cornering" Dynamic Quality without
> resorting to mediation, vision quests, psychedelics or becoming an artist.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony.
>
>
> P.S. Specifically with Matt K's query in mind about what East Asian
> philosophy can offer the West, there's an interesting ten minute monologue
> by Brian Walden (originally transmitted on BBC Radio 4's "Points of View")
> posted on the internet for just the next week at:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/radio4/point_of_view.ram
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>>From: "Ant McWatt" <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
>>To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:07 AM
>>Subject: [MD] Language Games (was Theatre and Definitions)
>
>
>  DM,
>
>  I hope your April 12th post (pasted below) and suggested Heidegger essay
>  "What is Metaphysics?" helps out Matt.
>
>  I'm not sure of the wisdom about being too precise about Dynamic Quality
>  but I would have framed your "definition" of it thus:
>
>  "DQ is Nothingness, the [indeterminate, aesthetic] flux, [creative]
>  movement, what everything [static] appears out of and returns to."
>
>  Best wishes,
>
>  Anthony.
>
>
>  "There is nothing in common between Brahman and ultimate reality as
>  conceived by Democritus, Plato or Aristotle. The atoms of Democritus, the
>  ideas of Plato and the forms of Aristotle were definite determinate
>  things, the very antithesis of the unspecifiable Brahman. Also the
> Democritean
>  atoms, the Platonic ideas and the Aristotelian Unmoved Mover were 
> concepts
>  by postulation, whereas Brahman, besides being indeterminate, is a 
> concept
>  by intuition."
>
>  F.S.C. Northrop, "The complementary Emphases of Eastern Intuitive and
>  Western Scientific Philosophy," in Charles A. Moore, ed., 'Philosophy 
> East
>  and West' (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1944), p. 176
>
>
>
> From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Language Games (was Theatre and Definitions)
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:58:58 +0100
>
> Matt
>
> It is hard to know what to say. I agree with DMB that DQ is
> simply a matter of experience, it is the most obvious aspect
> of experience, it dominates it so much that it cannot be differentiated
> from the whole. When we differentiate anything within experience
> it is SQ, DQ is what is left behind and obscured by all differentiation.
> DQ is Nothingness, the flux, movement, what everything appears out
> of and returns to. Try this Heidegger essay for size:
>
> http://www.stanford.edu/dept/relstud/faculty/sheehan/pdf/01-hd-wm.pdf
>
> He who pursues learning will increase every day;
> He who pursues Tao will decrease every day.
>
> DM
>
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