[MD] MoQ as religion [Belief Defininition]

[David Harding]

Hello SA,

David said:  "There is no middle way.  Any
> perceived 'middle way' is
> after the fact."  
> 

SA said:      I would say the middle way between 'knowing
> nothing' and 'knowing everything' would be - you.

This relates to our disagreement, nothing is not a thing to
be balanced between(or a middle way found).  How can anyone
  'weigh up' DQ and SQ when DQ is no thing.


David said:  "DQ is here, it exists, it's no thing.
>  At the same time, it isn't here, it doesn't exist and
> it's something. But if you really want to say
> something then I think my first sentence is as close
> as I can get in the finger pointing sense."
> 
SA Said:      ok
> 
David said:  "I do, you're talking about a thing.
> DQ is not a thing.
> When you call something a 'something' you run the risk
> of people thinking your talking about some thing. 
> Things are separate from reality, DQ is not separate
> from reality."
> 
SA said:      What thing am I talking about?  I could keep
> denying that I am talking about any thing you might
> answer this question with.  I am being very vague when
> I talk about this thing that I am talking about.

And here we go again.  I disagree that your talking about a
thing.  Moreover DQ is not vague so why use it in your
description?

> 
David said:  "The best way to understand what DQ is
> to meditate and see what it is for ourselves."
> 
SA said: I totally agree.  I believe DQ is beyond this SOM
> of no thing/thing discussion we are having.
> 
David said and quoted:  "A good guide to maintain
> the right attitude while doing it can be found from
> books by Steve Hagen; Buddhism - Plain and Simple, and
> Buddhism - It's not what you think.  The former
> getting the following review by Pirsig.  "This is the
> clearest and most precise exposition of Buddhism I
> have ever read. If you're looking for
> enlightenment rather than just scholarly knowledge,
> you'd better read this." 
> 
SA said:  The semi-colon might be throwing me off, or maybe
> not.  "The former... and "getting the following review
> by Pirsig." that's Steve Hagen's book 'Buddhism-Plain
> and Simple' - right?
> 

Yep.

Cheers,

-David