[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[ian glendinning]

DMB, I'll leave the theism to others, not my specialist subject ...
but I'm not ignorant of the realities of the US, living down here in
deepest 'Bama.

Playing "straight down the middle" and "namby pamby equivocations" are
your words. They say more about you than me, naturally.

Explain what makes a good quality "middle way" ? I'd love to.

I could just point you at Nagarjuna and Paul Turner, but I'll happily
point you at practical 20th cventury management techniques too.
It's just very hard to explain anything "with" someone who's aim seems
to be simply to disagree - point out the negatives - you missed the
positives "in that regard" and in the reference to Mary Parker-Follett
"the prophet of management" above. But I will find time, and
motivaton, let's start a fresh thread at the weekend.

(Travelling on a couple of days business after today.)
Ian

On 8/9/06, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ian said to dmb:
> The excluded middle is not some comprimised average of two extreme views,
> it's a whole set of different (higher quality) opportunities - excluded by,
> drowned out by the "noise" of, concentrating on the extremes.
>
> dmb replies:
> You'd have to be much more specific to convince me that you're offering
> anything other than mamby pamby equivocations. I don't recall reading
> anything from you about these higher quality opportunites, for example.
> Please explain. And you seem to be suggesting that I'm all freaked out about
> some tiny fringe group of extremists. But as I keep trying to tell you, 85%
> of Americans call themselves Christian and the party of the religious right
> is in control of all three branches of government. And there is also the
> problem of trying to fit theism into the MOQ.
>
> Ian also said:
> On your "theist" question, since you ask. I'm atheist as you know, but how
> about versions of theism which acknowledge the mystical metaphorical value
> of the idea of "god", but don't prescribe its literal authority outside the
> spiritual realm.
>
> dmb replies:
> Firstly, I'm not asking for a hypothetical version of acceptable theism. I'm
> asking you to identify and describe one that actually exists. Secondly, if
> it acknowledge that "God" is a mystical metaphor rather than an actual god,
> then it would be inaccurate to describe it as theism. Theism, by definition,
> is the belief in a supernatural being. If that belief is absent, then its
> not theism and I have nothing to criticize. As I understand these key terms,
> your suggestion makes no sense and refers to nothing that exists in the real
> world. Please explain.
>
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