[MD] Ham on Esthesia

[Laycock, Jos (OSPT)]

I agree with both points of veiw:
Random movement of mollecules per newtonian/quantum laws is inorganic static
value however complex or disordered.
However the man shaking the liquid is doing it for a moral purpose, ie
although the oil and water are inorganic, the experiment as a whole,
including the man the equipment and any observers is an intellectual
pattern. 
DQ is the "shaking" of the mind to concieve of the experiment, it is also
the uncertainty of the outcome. 
Return to stasis is when the outcome becomes known, literaly when the
outcome emerges into existence from essence. 

Jos




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> Subject: Re: [MD] Ham on Esthesia
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> Quoting Case <Case at iSpots.com>:
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> > [Case]
> > OK, try this. Take a jar and fill it half full of cooking 
> oil and half full
> > of water. Shake it up and watch what happens. The amount of 
> energy you put
> > into shaking it effects how long it takes the liquids to 
> separate. If you
> > watch closely as they separate you will see little bubbles 
> making bigger
> > bubble until there are just two bubbles. Chaos is 
> introduced into the jar by
> > the dynamic quality of the shaking. The overall system of 
> oil and water
> > returns to stasis as the dynamic quality dissipates.
> 
> What you have described is static quality -- predictable 
> reaction. Dynamic Quality
> isn't shaking, tossing, agitating, churning, jouncing, 
> stirring, waggling or 
> just any old physical energy. DQ is moral force.   
> 
> > Visit any Spencer's Gift and you can watch many examples of 
> multicolored
> > fluids of various viscosities dripping and flowing in determined but
> > unpredictable ways.  While you are there, take a look at 
> what they can do
> > with a magnet and a 9 volt battery.
> 
> All static patterns. Lack of predictability is not an 
> indication of DQ. Whether
> a fluid pattern goes up or down, or whether an ant turns to 
> the left or right
> isn't DQ at work. Such unpredictability is simply our lack of 
> knowledge of what
> it's like to be a fluid or an ant. If the fluid jumps out of 
> its container and
> starts dancing the hootchy-kootchy, then you might say DQ is 
> involved. 
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