[MD] Quantum Physics

[David M]

Hi all

When we look through glass we can see
what is on the other side and also see
our reflection. Some photons pass
through, others bounce back. It is
only due to the indeterminacy of the
behaviour of photons that this occurs.
A macro quantum effect.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Quantum Physics


> Hi Ant, Laird, SA, David's
>
> Ant, you made two points,
> Firstly, does an anthropologist or a politician have any use for
> quantum theory in understanding social patterns of value ?
>
> Secondly, the point of Feynman's that "no-one" really understands QM.
>
> On the second, That was my original and David M's subsequent warning
> against assuming too simplistic thinking here.
>
> I listed three lines of research that cast doubt on QM as typically
> understood (even by physicists, let alone the general population)
>
> Back to the first point, given the above why would any of us at the
> Macro level in the world, need to take interest in such a subject.
>
> I think you partly answer that; you refer to the relevance of Barrow,
> (and I mentioned Talbot and Capra) bringing a mystical / spiritual
> angle into understanding the fundamental reality, that stands some
> worthwhile comparison with the MoQ - something which we do see as
> relevant across the full micro and macro levels of the world. I could
> also point out that in non-MoQ contexts, some physicists and
> neuro-scientists see possible macro (coherent) quantum effects.
>
> Regards
> Ian
>
>
> On 12/3/06, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi DMB/Ant
>>
>> It is a very key basic of Quantum theory
>> that the possible exists, is real and
>> effects what becomes actual, i.e. possibles form
>> interference patterns prior to wave collapses (actualisation),
>> so the actual is a subset of the real.
>> Hence 'many worlds' suggests that maybe all possibles
>> become actual in different worlds to retain determinism
>> i.e. all sets have actuality.
>> It takes a a big leap to start getting this principle of quantum theory.
>> I recommend Prigogine's The End of Certainty.
>>
>> Regards
>> David M
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Quantum Physics
>>
>>
>> > Ant said to David M:
>> > Parts of this paragraph seem rather obscure to me.  For a start, how 
>> > can
>> > the
>> > "possible" which doesn't exist (yet), interact with the "actual" which
>> > does
>> > exist?
>> >
>> > dmb says:
>> > In a pervious conversation - that's right, I said "pervious" - I 
>> > learned
>> > that David M supports the notion that God is "the condition of
>> > possibility".
>> > He's putting an abstract theism or some kind of Absolute Idealism into 
>> > his
>> > quatum physics, apparently.
>> >
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