[MD] Kant's Motorcycle

[Case]

David,

This is not how I see objective. I think objectivity mean agreement between
multiple subjects. It is common features and the shared experience that make
something objective. In another sense, science seeks to find this level of
commonality by looking for properties that hold from any perspective. This
does not render other perspectives invalid. This is how values attach to
facts. This is what makes science metaphysical in the sense of finding ideas
that apply in many situations. It is called beauty in the philosophy of
science. Evolution is a beautiful theory because it applies to so many
situations from physics to psychology. Relativity is beautiful because it
explains so many things so simply.

Case

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Hi Case

Yet there is only access to this stance via
the abstraction of our given stances
and imagining a larger perspective, but
full objectivity means full detachment, and
then you would be nothing and know nothing
and be empty of any values. This is the dilemma SOM hits. 
So we should always
see our rationalisations as grounded in our values 
and experience from which they are abstracted.


David M

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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Kant's Motorcycle


> [David]
> Sure you cannot have any access to TITs
> that is not via experience. However we try
> to make sense of our shared and individual experiences
> by telling ourselves plausible stories about the TITs.
> These stories often take an objectivist stance,
> how else could we talk about the big bang or
> previous evolution because we weren't there at the time.
> The objectivist stance is an imagined stance, we create it
> as a way to create a reasond narrative about history and the
> processes that underlie experience. But there is only imaginative
> access to such ideas and processes, what we experience may
> be caused by TITs but we can only experience felt and
> valued change.
> 
> [Case]
> The objective stance is an imagined as is any stance. The point of the
> objective stance is to make stance irrelevant. That is to seek truth
> regardless of point of view.
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