[MD] Fw: Kant's Motorcycle

[David M]

 Case

 Would you see sensation and felt-experience
 as two sides of the same reality?

 I would assume that sensation simply means
that our bodies change in response to our
environment as science demonstrates.

I would then assume that these changes
are experienced by us as either good
or bad or somewhere in between.
Of course, as an individual and as
a type called a human being, we evolve
and change within ourselves so that
our responses and values evolve and
alter and this on physical, biological,
social, cultural, moral, aesthetic and
intellectual levels.

Ta
David M

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> Subject: Re: [MD] Kant's Motorcycle
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>> Case said to Micah:
>> No, you are confusing sensation and perception. Sensations are just 
>> neurons
>> firing. Perception is the organization of these impulses into thoughts 
>> and
>> knowledge. Kant was saying that something in our nature contributes to 
>> this
>> process of knowledge formation.
>>
>> dmb says:
>> Besides the fact that this picture is predicated on SOM assumptions, the
>> categories of thought which determine the process of knowledge formation 
>> can
>>
>> no longer be imagined in terms of anantomy but rather in terms of 
>> language
>> and culture. The shape of reality is determined by our conventional
>> concepts, which are natural, but not in the sense that brains and fingers
>> are natural. The rate of biological evolution is such that anatomical
>> features are practially constant. But cultural evolution is far more 
>> rapid
>> and the shape of reality changes even in historic time. I mean, the
>> categories of the mind evolve as fast as the language and culture so that
>> they are something like identical.
>>
>> [Case]
>> Sensation is purely anatomical. The processing of sensations is purely
>> biological. There are specific regions of the brain associated with
>> language. The shape of reality is formed by the interaction of our 
>> biology
>> with our environment. That is what experience is.
>>
>> We are endowed with a physiology that is sufficiently plastic to allow 
>> all
>> sorts of connections and organizational schemes. Culture and the specific
>> forms of language emerge out of this plasticity. So I agree that on the
>> whole categories of mind are not strictly anatomical but they do reside 
>> in
>> and depend on anatomy. I am also intrigued by the idea that certain
>> categories of mind like Kant's, space and time or Jung's, hero, wise man 
>> and
>> earth mother seem to resonate in the human anatomy producing similar
>> patterns of thought across time and culture. This seems a bit like 
>> language
>> which has a similar structure and function but diverse manifestations 
>> within
>> our species.
>>
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