[MD] Kant's Motorcycle

[Jos Laycock]

May I interject...

Laramie:
"the way you respond [to Value] is determined by
>the complexity of your understanding."

Couldn't agree more if I understand you right, maybe what follows is at 
least loosely compatible.

If "you" is replaced by "one" or "it" and refers in all cases to any static 
pattern of value, then the way "you" respond to value (DQ) does vary 
dependent upon complexity of the understanding that is "you".
If the compexity of the understranding is the same as the complexity of the 
pattern then that complexity neatly maps onto an evolutionary scale.  The 
response of a simple understanding (like a rusty nail) is just 
"interraction", whereas the response of a complex understanding like a man 
is what we know as perception.

As I see it, any pattern of existence includes the observer and the observed 
- untill "you" look at something the pattern that is both, doesn't exist 
yet. The act of percieving (valuing) actualises the thing. "In it's self" 
it's something else.
If the idea that varoius species of responses are present in any pattern no 
matter how simple it (s understanding) is gets around this as the 
actualisation from DQ (or possibly essence) of the observed by the observer 
happens when any pattern meets another and isn't relient on complex patterns 
having to actualise everything.


Jos


>From: "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>Subject: Re: [MD] Kant's Motorcycle
>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 01:54:55 -0500
>
>
>Greetings, Laramie --
>
>
>I had said (to Joe):
> > Desire doesn't presuppose a cognizant form; it only infers
> > a "lack of something."  I think Socrates' definition of desire
> > relates to one's sense of Value, which is pre-intellectual.
> > In the temporal mode of human awareness, the value "of
> > enlightenment" precedes the intellectual form -- the "object"
> > that represents our experience of this value.
> >
> > Again, I see the value filling the void of PA as the precursor
> > to objective cognizance.  Am I off the track here, or have I
> > misconstrued your comment?
>
>Larz:
> > All I am getting at is that life (or Value, if you prefer) presents
> > a constant challenge and the way I respond is determined by
> > the complexity of my understanding.  It is really only through
> > asking new questions and seeking greater insight into existing
> > problems that evolution unfolds and the Self is able to create
> > and respond with greater depth.  The more I see, the more I
> > am able to feel - thus, truth/abstraction is superior to good/will.
> > Everything boils down to power of projection.
>
>You are getting at more than I've implied, and I'm trying to fathom exactly
>what it is.  You say that "the way you respond [to Value] is determined by
>the complexity of your understanding."  By "complexity" do you mean 
>"depth"?
>Does this suggest that it must encompass metaphysical understanding?
>
>You also introduce "problems" unfolding from evolution, and seem to imply
>that they become more complex over the individual's lifespan -- or are you
>talking about the history of mankind?  I don't see the average human having
>to confront increasingly complex problems over his lifetime.  Are the
>problems you refer to moral dilemmas or epistemological questions?
>
>In any case, my statement infers nothing more than everyday experience by
>normal (non-philosopher-type people) as triggered by their sense of value.
>This concept of constructing objective reality from the sense of Value is
>still too new for me to expand into psycho-intellectual processes at this
>juncture.
>
>Can you elucidate on this subject, perhaps by offering an example or
>psychology reference?
>
>Also, how do you define The Essential Self that you cited in response to
>Platt's list of Whitehead's phrases?
>
>Thanks, Laramie.
>
>-- Ham
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