[MD] Social Imposition ?

David M davidint at blueyonder.co.uk
Tue Dec 26 13:00:24 PST 2006


Hi Arlo

That sounds right to me, its about the consequences and
social SQ that take on a force and life of their own as
they become structures that are difficult for individuals
to understand or influence. Democracy is one attempt to
gain some control, education is also required.

Thanks
David M


> The authors also provide this quote from Giddens, which I want to 
> emphasize as a
> fairly good phrasing of "collectivism". "[T]he production or constitution 
> of
> society is a skilled accomplishment of its members, but one that does not 
> take
> place under conditions that are either wholly intended or wholly 
> comprehended
> by them." I think this goes very well with Pirsig's sentiment, "The 
> metaphysics
> of substance makes it difficult to see the Giant. It makes it customary to
> think of a city like New York as a "work of man," but what man invented 
> it?
> What group of men invented it? Who sat around and thought up how it should 
> all
> go together?"
>
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