[MD] science, religion and culture

[David M]

Hi Gav

Interesting. I was wondering recently
if early consciousness was very much like
what we now call the hypnotic state?

And we seem to be falling back into it in.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gav" <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:55 AM
Subject: [MD] science, religion and culture


> hey all,
> the BIG problem with religion in the west is that it
> is divorced from the cultural landscape. well of
> course it is: the west has no real culture to speak
> of.
>
> as has happened in the US, australia and most
> everywhere else the God fearing white tosspots went,
> the indigenous cultures were suppressed,
> misunderstood, regarded as superstitious nonsense
> (this view was and is SHARED by the scientific and the
> theistic....my uncle is a catholic professor of
> physics at oxford. science v religion is not the war
> some think it is, most times they both reinforce SOM).
>
> culture is misuderstood by most whites. culture is
> rooted in place. culture is connection to place and to
> memory and the memory is in the place. without this
> there simply is no culture...no living culture.
>
> most whites probably think culture is opera or ballet
> or theatre etc when these are a *spectacular*
> experience (very SOM). the passive consumption of such
> stuff may still hold some vestigial mythopoetic power
> but it leads nowhere. it is a tease, a taster of
> something that once was our daily bread, wine and
> song...our very belongingness. now all we might feel
> is the poignancy of this loss, this absence... if we
> are alive enough and the art is good enough.
>
> if you have no connection to place, to the land, then
> you have no connection to each other and you have no
> culture. how to reconnect? face the shameful memories
> of our 'cultural' imperialism (oymoron if ever there
> was), atone and then learn from those we raped (in
> every sense of the word). we have to look at the world
> as it is, not as science or religion would have us
> look
> at it. we have to see with the heartmind not the head.
>
> good science and religion can take you to the brink of
> this departure point but they can do no more. leave
> them where they belong, in the rear. heart first, head
> second. who has fallen in love? really. such that
> absolutely nothing else matters save the adored one,
> the divine made flesh: the goddess incarnate. an
> absolutely brave and foolish act that is rewarded with
> the world: the living world. this love spills over as
> it is limitless. it spills over and renews and creates
> the world.
>
> science and religion are knock-offs; they are the
> readers digest of spiritual knowledge, which is to say
> intellectual knowledge of the higest degree. i would
> rather concentrate on the original version before me:
> alive, terrible, beautiful, powerful, wise, loving and
> often hilarious. the living world is the most profound
> thing we can read. and if we don't then we lose, again
> and again...we lose that connection, that belonging,
> that matrix that holds us together in love and not
> fear: culture. for in its absence a more nefarious
> matrix is born: The Giant.......but that's a story for
> another time.
>
> best to you all
> gav
>
>
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