[MD] The Edge 2006 Annual Question

[Scott Roberts]

David M,

We can only experience a quality like sweetness if we are embedded within a 
system of tastes. That is, there is a biological language of tastes, and 
therefore the particular taste has meaning. Now when you suggest that 
"experience prior to being able to construct objects through thinking as 
unconscious valuation" I agree, as long as one understands "unconscious" as 
referring to being outside normal human awareness. I would say that the body 
has a separate consciousness, since otherwise, the word 'valuation' is 
meaningless. It should also be noted that the object construction you 
mention is also unconscious to the normal awake human. That is, as far as we 
are normally aware, we immediately see a tree, and are unaware of piecing 
together the colors and shapes. BTW, the first stage (picking out the 
particular taste or color in a system of colors) Barfield calls "sensing", 
and the second stage "figuration".  Peirce considers the second stage to be 
a form of abduction (hypothesis formation), which I find interesting. In any 
case, I consider them both to be semiotic processes.

- Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Edge 2006 Annual Question


Scott said:

there is value involved, and that
> implies triadic relations, not dyadic.

DM: Is that right? Do we not experience a quality first, say a pleasant
sweeetness, and so we have whole undivided value. Only if we
go on to construct an object from a number of experiences do
we form any dualism of an object causing these experiences in a
subject. What we come to objectify as treacle, first appeared to
us as fragments of experience, certain colours, certain feels of
stickiness, a smell, and when we got it in our mouths a certain taste.
By separation from other experiences and consruction into a pattern
we create objects to form a dualism consisting of objects that we are
subjected to. Of course this ability to divide and construct is inseparable
from thinking and consciousness. Perhaps we should see experience
prior to being able to construct objects through thinking as unconscious
valuation.

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