[MD] Defining Art (was Churning Point)

[Platt Holden]

SA:

> Platt,
>    Is primitive and uneducated artistic and/or
> positive creative activities in the world today?  And
> when it comes to uneducated how uneducated do you
> mean?  A wise person in the camp teaching ancestor
> ways and/or a building with many professors (a
> university), are both, none, or one of these qualified
> for creativity, freedom and/or art?

Sorry SA. I don't understand your question.. As for what I mean by 
"uneducated," it's people who cannot read or write or do simple math.

>   The ideal of perfection does need to be constrained
> by a certain focus as to what is perfect and beauty. 
> Hitlers' blond hair and blue eyes creating an empire
> of such purity (as defined by Hitler and his
> companions) would in my viewpoint be a mistaken focus
> as to what is perfect and beautiful.

Hitler had brown hair. But, you make an important point about ideals of 
perfection. The "perfect" death for Muslim radicals is murder by 
suicide, rewarded by a harem of nymphomaniac virgins in heaven. But the 
sexual reward is a biological level value, as is premeditated murder. 
IMO that places these terrorists on the same moral level as germs. The 
MOQ provides a rational basis for lifting one's pursuit of perfection 
above the biological and social levels (Nazism, Communism, Socialism)  
to intellectual (Democracy, individual liberty)  and towards the 
Godhead. Physical pleasures eventually wear thin whereas intellectual 
pleasures such as we experience on this site endure for life. So the 
moral compass Pirsig provides in the MOQ also gives us a high quality 
"focus" for our pursuit of perfection.

Platt