[MD] The Edge 2006 Annual Question

[David M]

Scott

Not entirely sure what you mean by tendency?

DM


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> David M,
>
> DM said:
> My own thought is that god is an answer to very legitimate
> questions, feelings, problems. To date it has been a wrong answer,
> and so have other answers. I think this is what Heidegger means when he
> says we are waiting for a New God after the death of the old god.
> How would you describe the current insanity?
>
> Scott:
> Same as the old one, except that there is currently a large number of
> intellectual people who would deny this Original Insanity, namely, the
> secular.
>
> I don't think one can say that God was the wrong answer. It is more that
> insane people turn the sane answer into an insane one. The best we can do 
> is
> to realize that tendency in ourselves, hence the value of negative 
> theology
> (though it too can be twisted), and I why I call for an ironic 
> metaphysics.
> The logic of contradictory identity is intended to be more of a 
> prophylactic
> against this tendency than an "answer".
>
> - Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885 at localnet.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The Edge 2006 Annual Question
>
>
>> David M,
>>
>> DM said:
>> Are the feelings mankind has had in relation to idols
>> appropriate in relation to something else? I think so,
>> I wonder if we agree as to where they might be appropriate?
>>
>> Scott:
>> I think not, if I understand your question. The problem with idolatry is
>> that it gives one the idea that one understands God (or whatever), and
>> that
>> means one stops thinking about the problem. Now there are two points to
>> make. One is that what I am saying is "Not for Everyone". It is just for
>> people who take an intellectual path to salvation. The second is that 
>> what
>> I
>> am saying presupposes the "insanity" business. This is just another name
>> for
>> what Buddhists call "avidya" (ignorance), Hundus call Maya, and 
>> Christians
>> call Original Sin. That is, there is something basically wrong with the
>> unreflected ways we think about things. These ways work for getting along
>> in
>> the world, but they fail when applied to the problem of salvation.
>> Idolatry
>> is applying these ways of thinking to God (or Emptiness, etc.). To accept
>> an
>> idol is to stay within our insanity.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
>>>
>>> Scott:
>>> In my point of view, there is no non-negated without differentiation,
>>> which
>>> is what I oppose in your essentialism. There is no undivided source
>>> ontologically prior to differentiation or negation, nor is
>>> differentiation
>>> a
>>> source. There is, that is, no source above and beyond what is, which is
>>> CI,
>>> which is consciousness, value, and/or semiosis (or a bunch of other
>>> non-things), depending on the point one wants to make. Such a source is
>>> an
>>> idol. I like to think (but could be wrong) that CI avoids being turned
>>> into
>>> an idol because it cannot be thought through (cannot be "understood").
>>>
>>> - Scott
>>>
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