[MD] Barbarian attack

[Heather Perella]

Platt and others,

     I will not get into a dualistic argument with
you, you know my stance on war versus peace.  So lets'
delve into your worldview.  You say, "Killing in those
cases preserved intellectual values from destruction."
 I am looking at your word 'preserved', and with the
insight from Marsha in her new subject introduced
about Swiss Cheese I am inclined to say, we are trying
to be dynamic and not so preservative, correct?

     You said:  "Western ideals that established the
enlightened intellectual level whereby not the state
but each individual's life and liberty were held as
sacred."  Sure, but can I not pay income taxes and
live self-sufficiently, or do I have to get caught up
in capitalism?  Are we moving forward into liberty or
are we constrained and run by money?  Is the agenda of
the U.S. economical imperialism?  Can the
intellectuals stand-up and change anything on a daily
and nightly basis or are we, as a society, just trying
to run away still from dealing with each other.  Thus,
by running away from each other and not dealing with
any issues, in society at large, are people drinking,
taking drugs, trying to have fun, being angry, joining
gangs, talking about making the poor not poor (in this
culture I think there would always be poor people so
saying one will help the poor not be poor is a false
hope).  We go to work to pay our taxes, yet we need
money to pay our bills and car to get to work to pay
our taxes.  We need food so we can live, so we can get
to work to pay our taxes.  I could have a garden,
which I did for two years and did not go to work. 
Now, I could not have lived off of the garden alone,
but I do not have the opportunity to do so either. 
Why?  Property taxes.  This culture is dead set on
having McDonalds some day be in Iraq.  Why?  To have
Iraq have a good economy.  Yet, this good economy is
based on capitalism.  With the population of the world
today everybody cannot live a farmers, hunters and
gathers lifestyle, yet, if some places of the world
can, then let's not start to think, "Oh, those poor
people, wouldn't it be nice if they could have a
McDonalds."  This is something I am putting out there,
and it is not tightly woven, but any input by others
to help me understand or others understand would be
appreciative.  Let's not be so preservative Platt,
let's be a little bit more dynamic within this culture
as to what intellectual ideals we could explore.  What
Joseph has brought up for questioning in "Is democracy
intellectual?" is an interesting MOQ angle.

    You asked:  "A question I have for you is do you
think the killing done by America and its allies in
the wars mentioned above was justified?"     I say,
can't it be done another way.  Do we continually have
to fight and kill to get our way?  Maybe this voice I
am having is to being saved for a time when all people
will listen and can decide to stop killing and
concentrate on cultivating a Quality in the world
worth valuing.

SA
   

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