[MD] Ham & swiss cheese

[ian glendinning]

Marsha et al,

I think those of us who are "pro-MoQ" share similar frustrations with
making real world progress with it (whilst still accomodating genuine
debate with those who find issues with it.) Like many, I'm tired of
debate with those peddling fundamentally different metaphysics, (or in
some cases mischievous spoiling tactics), particulartly when we've
been round the block many times already.

My "Lines in the sand" thread, immediately following the Liverpool
conference was aimed at that objective too. A group of us who live
close enough to meet with each other met recently to talk about ways
to make this kind of progress, and I'm hoping we will share some ideas
more widely, and canvas support for evolving MoQ-Discuss, very soon.
Very soon hopefully.

I consider myself 100% for the MoQ (though naturally, I recognise I'm
making interpretations when I say that)

Someone like say Sam (a theist) and I, given that I'm an atheist, find
that we agree 99% when it comes to what is right about the MoQ.

Marsha, (and maybe DMB ?) I think perhaps you need to separate theism
and religion ? Many of us share some "faith" in the more mystical
aspects of "quality" - even if a passing interest in Buddhism is about
as close as some of us would claim to being "religious" - some would
say I'm "religiously" attached to science - guilty. Being atheist
means I don't have any faith in Sam's "God", but I do recognise the
value in religious belief. (At the risk of personalising this too far
- the fact that a theist and and atheist agree 99% on the value in the
MoQ, should be a cause of positive interest, no ? I find it
fascinating.)

Scott, I'm still struggling to get to the reality of our differences,
but his view still seems quite un-MoQ-ish to me.

Anyway, great to see the positive pro-MoQ vibe stoked by your post Marsha.
Ian

On 2/27/06, Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Dan,
>
>     Dan said:  "I suppose that there will always be
> problems in the world. That's what drives evolution."
>
>     I am sure there is clarity in this statement
> somewhere, especially when you seem to be an advocate
> in "...relinquishing of all views."  Thus, this last
> quote coupled with a 'view of this world' with
> problems and how it has to do with a drive of
> evolution.  When I go onto a cliff high upon a hill
> overlooking a valley I view hawks circling and
> vultures winging by and sense something in my heart so
> clear, so definite.
>
> SA
>
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