[MD] Ham & swiss cheese

[ian glendinning]

Hi Kevin,

MoQ is indeed silent on many specifics, as written in Lila (and ZMM implicitly)

I would say it is "agnostic" on theism, hence both theists and
atheists (like myself) can identify with most of it - one of the
reasons I find so much promise in the MoQ.(Which isn't to say the MoQ
is agnostic on religious mysticism - that is very much a part of it.)

As to which of the references is the "final word" on defining what the
MoQ is, I would say none of these (fortunately) - it's dynamic with
the basis of it's own evolution. Whilst we debate what MoQ "means" we
must not get sidetracked by "definitions", which are too static -
hence the perennial irrelevance of "defining" DQ.

As to "negative" arguments - I think that is the nature of discussion
forums - to debate what is contentious, not what is accepted. Hang in
there :-)

Ian

On 2/27/06, kgt83dr at yahoo.com <kgt83dr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Ian,
>
> At the moment I'm neither pro-MOQ nor anit-MOQ.  At the moment I find
> it all too confusing.  I agree with almost all of what Pirsig said in ZMM
> Lila.  But he was silent on so much.  For the past several weeks I've
> been trying to figure out what the Metaphysics of Quality is.  And I'm no
> closer today than I was two months ago.
>
> I've noticed several people who post regularly here (Anthony, Marsha and
> dmb) say the Metaphysics of Quality is anti-theistic.  Some also say
> Pirsig is anti-theistic.  So I looked for "theis" (i.e., theism, theistic,
> atheism, anti-theistic, etc.) in both ZMM and Lila and found only one
> reference.  It's on page 119 of Lila.  It's an innocuous reference to a
> difference between Indians and whites.
>
> I'm beginning to get the sense that, because of the anti-theist sentiment
> here, that moq.org is more concerned with what the Methaphysics is not
> than with what it is.
>
> What is the the Metaphysics of Quality?  Is it what Pirsig says it is in
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and Lila?  Or is it what is
> delineated in Pirsig's two books plus what the group at moq.org says it
> is?
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
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