[MD] Barbarian attack

[Platt Holden]

SA:

SA said:
>      By dynamic discussion I mean creatively changing
> society, the culture, the intellectual values of the
> day.

Agree. The intellectual value of the present day of SOM needs to be 
changed to absorb Quality. But I keep in mind  that change for the sake 
of change is not necessarily better.

>  If, I were in your worldview agreeing to
> disagree might not not be an option or maybe it is? 
> Let's think about it, not kill about it.

It takes both sides to agree to disagree. If one side wants to employ a 
biological argument by drawing a gun, then the instrument of 
conversation becomes a policemen or soldier with a gun.  

>      Platt said, "What in the world are you going to
> do with a bow and arrow?"  
> 
>      I'm not going to eat Bin Laden after I use it, if
> that's what you mean.  And as I already said, the
> population in this society is too large for full scale
> hunting and gathering.  When I fish I am just trying
> to keep to myself, friends, and family.  You got a be
> a bit quiet while ya fish you know.

I have no problem with just goin' fishing. Your reference to a bow and 
arrow threw me off. 

>      Platt said:  "Not "any" disputes and problems,
> just those where my opponent wants to kill me. I
> gather you either don't believe Bin Laden when he says
> he wants to destroy you and me, or else your don't
> care. I haven't figured out yet which it is."
 
>      Sure there are not just 'any' disputes, and you
> should know a lot about killing more than me its'
> something you seem to be closer to and more threatened
> by.  Remember I would fight somebody that tried to
> hurt my family.  Just think of me as the reins on this
> wagon, pulling in the racing horses, and its' not just
> this U.S. culture I pull the reins upon, it is Bin
> Laden's kind too.

You have the possibility of influencing U.S. culture because free 
speech is still constitutionally protected here. But, Bin Laden's? As 
the recent cartoon riots illustrate, free speech is not held in high 
esteem in a large part Arab culture. What's worrisome is that political 
correctness that squelches free and open debate has gained a strong 
foothold in Western universities where obnoxious speech codes have been 
established.

> Don't forget the peace and calm
> while you go and fight and kill, ok Platt.  I know
> its' tough, and Bin Laden and his buddies are
> confusing, but your confusing to Platt.  Both of you
> are very confusing.  I don't know why either one of
> you have to behave the way do.  It just seems a bit
> irrational that people, even ones' called terrorists,
> want to kill.

Terrorists irrational? Yes. That's been my point all along. Terrorists 
who initiate killing adopt biological values and thus on the moral 
scale are no better than germs. 

>  What am I going to do in this safe
> haven of mine, protected by the two oceans while the
> U.S. solders go and kill to defend this country?  Try
> as best I can to keep the sanity and peace that is
> able to still be expressed in this world.

Yes, and I thank God every day for those soldiers who have defended 
this country and in so doing have allowed me sanity and peace.

>      Your stubborn, and I'll be stubborn and hopefully
> my stubbornness wins out or we are all in deep, deep,
> deep, trouble.  Kinda like the wild west stories I
> have heard.  Shot 'em all, last man standin' wins and
> will carry on his or her worldview.  Well, Platt, I'm
> not goin' shot you, What are you going to do to me? 
> And then what should we do afterward when the dust
> settles, maybe we could think about how to avoid this
> mess in the future, ok.

Mankind has tried throughout history to think of ways to avoid 
conflict, so far without success. So long as there are those willing to 
use biological means to attain their ends, there will be no peace. The 
League of Nations after World War I and the United Nations after WW II 
were supposed to elevate mankind above that level. You know the result. 
If you have a better plan, please share it. I'm afraid just being 
stubborn about wanting the killing to end won't cut it.

Platt