[MD] Morality. Pin the tail on an invisible donkey.

[Heather Perella]

Hello everyone,

     Joseph said:  "Quality is Pirsig's insight, only
he gives the power to that word, the rest of us just
feed off its energy, whilst using it as a concept when
trying to explain existence. To pirsig it is a
reality, something as real as breathing is to us."

     Excellent way of expressing quality or as khaled
said,  "quality quality".  Notice the motivation and
I'll use Pirsig name to stay in step for clarity's
sake, in which Pirsig is seeking Quality.  Not just
seeking but noticing quality here and now, static,
yet, refreshing quality as breathing is always a
refreshing action.  Such as I believe Marsha used
breathing before as well to express something, in
which she said breathing in, breathing out a door
opening and closing, opening and closing for all who
breath.  Do we breath with quality?  Have we even
achieved or tried to fulfill our basics in life in a
quality manner?

     Joseph said:  "It is a flaw in politness that the
hawkers exploit, once they get the upper hand it is
very hard to get the power back."

    I sense the power of persuasion in play here as
well.  On the social level persuasion works.  On the
intellectual level we don't need just persuasion, but
on that social level would quality appear to be more
of a persuasive force to some, unless the intellectual
understanding of quality is prevalent enough?  For
instance, I as well as khaled felt the need to look up
quality in the dictionary.  Therefore I did not have a
readily available high quality knowledge of what
quality means in this skull of mine.  Which leads up
into something interesting I mentioned in another
subject heading, but find useful in this one, too as
follows:  
     I heard a very interesting interjection on one of
the Sunday morning news programs.  Somebody, who I
believe is from India, said he is starting to think
that the mess in Iraq is due to a lack in their
culture to have leaders or in other words does not
have readily available leaders.  Their culture doesn't
have the niche or mechanism to have leaders step
forward.  India did as the British where leaving (he
called them Nijra's or something [I thought Brahmins,
I don't know].  South Africa had Mandela (the bonded
man made free man).  Thus I have this to say, does
Iraq have leaders or is Isalm that has the leaders? 
Yet, all this talk about a possible civil war would be
not between Iraq's, I think it would be the whole rift
Isalm has had from day one duking it out.  The
spiritual lineage of Muhammad versus the biological
lineage of Muhammad.  You might imagine what subject
heading this was under, but my point is this.  Since
we don't have the readily available knowledge and
intellectual understanding clearly marked in abundance
within this culture in everyday discussion, would that
also mean that quality is missing from this culture? 
I know the answer is yes, but the interest for me and
I would like to know what everybody else thinks, the
interest is in our critical thinking upon what quality
is.  It is not readily available.  Pirsig in ZMM saw
it as undefined and Phadreus asked the class what it
meant and the students had difficulty putting the
meaning of quality into words.  If it was such a
highly valued understanding in this culture, then
wouldn't it be easily spoken as common sense since we
are products of our culture?     

     Joseph said:  "The marketing stratergy used has
quality, but it is bad, as it amounted to intellectual
rape, by trapping you on the social level. Morality
can attack.  Morality can weaken. The effects as
experienced by me."

     Intellectual rape because of the weakness of our
intellect to avoid such attacks?

     Marsha said:  "Actually, I think the quality
experience is amoral.  Later it is judged in context. 
I don't like the words 'good' or 'bad' because their
are emotive."

     So the quality experience is first and foremost,
whether or not the experience is good or bad, sooner
or later the experience will be deemed good or bad in
order to repeat or not repeat such an experience to
provide more description of the experience.  Yet, to
return to an amoral quality experience that is dynamic
to to place our experience into question.  This is in
the sense we awaken to what is a quality experience
before we blindly miss any quality that is here right
under our noses, in a literal sense if we use Pirsigs
Lila example of Victorian pre-World War 1 attitudes
that did not notice the quality beyond their judgments
that were solidified as what is called Victorian. 
Then the realness of World War 1, all the blood, sweat
and tears had to awaken their blind behavior that ran
into a wall eventually so hard they finally felt it.

     khaled quoted from the dictionary as to what it
says of quality:  "NOUN - Superiority of kind: an
intellect of unquestioned quality.  b. Degree or grade
of excellence...  ADJECTIVE: Having a high degree of
excellence"

     Yes, I like these definitions and actions, too,
khaled.  The MOQ is exercising our intellect to avoid
what I think Joseph, as mentioned above, says we need
to avoid.  This is also the preparedness that
meditation provides, the preparedness that is involved
in backpacking (in the woods you only can use what you
prepared and had the foresight to bring with you).
 
     Let's please keep this subject in discussion,
because I feel ourselves getting into the meat of
quality, not just in hypothetical ways the universe
works, but we could actually beef-up or strengthen
ourselves intellectually in an exercise that leaves
this computer in a prepared way when we further
socialize in the workplace, at school, in a cafe, on
the streets, in the woods, and etc...  I believe
quality is definitely something to bring into all
levels of our experience.

SA
    

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