[MD] Unreality of Equality

[LARAMIE LOEWEN]

"Capitalism, Socialism and Communism were theories.  None of them have lived up to their ideals.  In practice they all seem like dismal failures."

Dear Marsha, 

Socialism and Communism are and were "dismal failures".  This is because they subvert quality beyond the social level.  But Capitalism has never been tried- and if the MOQ is correct, this is unfortunate, as laissez faire is necessitated by its premises.  Similar to the non-separation of church and state, the non-separation of economics and state creates division between the mind and reality and therefore destroys DQ.

Cheers,
Larz  







  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MarshaV<mailto:marshalz at charter.net> 
  To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org<mailto:moq_discuss at moqtalk.org> 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [MD] Unreality of Equality


  At 08:29 AM 2/28/2006, Platt wrote:

  > > Joe. Good point. How about formulating a thread to intellectualy point
  > > out the unreality in MOQ terms of equality amongst mankind? "wherein
  > > equality and feelings are worshipped above all"

  Platt,

  I think the important word here was <mankind>.  I see inconsistencies 
  in both the liberal or conservative views as practiced.   Capitalism, 
  Socialism and Communism were theories.  None of them have lived up to 
  their ideals.  In practice they all seem like dismal failures.

  If you are going to defend your personal, political viewpoint and 
  criticize others, then I think you lack credibility.  I've read your 
  crap before. There are many who distrust the conservative worldview 
  and the liberal worldview.  Take a step back, or up, to get a broader view.

    Marsha





  >Thanks for the suggestion. One can begin with the MOQ's emphasis on the
  >moral inequality of the four moral levels ranging from lowest
  >(inorganic) to highest (intellectual). That moral hierarchy in itself
  >leads to all sorts of inequalities amongst mankind such as the
  >difference between a "Galileo fighting social repression from a common
  >criminal fighting social repression."
  >
  >But what immediately came to mind when you raised the issue was
  >Pirsig's criteria of truth -- "The tests of truth are logical
  >consistency, agreement with experience, and economy of explanation."
  >(Lila, 8)
  >
  >Inequality among men and women certainly agrees with experience. Not
  >everyone has equal native ability, desire to learn, and gumption to
  >accomplish great things.
  >
  >Further, the theme of the MOQ stated simply is "Some things are better
  >than others." Again, experience confirms. Some ideas are better than
  >others, some values more enduring, some works of art more universal,
  >some cultures more accomplished and therefore more worthy of study. (It
  >is scarcely the same thing to put a man on the moon as put a bone in
  >your nose.)
  >
  >When it comes to logical consistency the current liberal intellectual
  >view celebrating equality on the one hand and diversity on the other is
  >logically self-contradictory. To exclude others unlike yourself is
  >racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. To ask them to fit in is racist,
  >sexist, homophobic, etc. Heads I win, tails you lose.
  >
  >The reason so many in the U.S. distrust the liberal worldview is the
  >inherent contradiction at the root of its stated goal  -- the
  >desirability of equality of results can only be accomplished by
  >treating people unequally. This results in such absurdities as the
  >worship of diversity that requires conformity in ideas, actions, speech
  >and politically correct thinking. (Example: the forced resignation of
  >Larry Summers as President of Harvard.)
  >
  >I hope these thoughts are enough to get the ball rolling in this new
  >thread if anyone is interested in following up. Again, thanks for the
  >suggestion, Joe. You pushed aside a cloud of rhetoric about love,
  >peace, compassion and understanding to focus on a crucial premise of
  >modern day liberalism. The more radical members of the sect would do
  >away with logic itself.
  >
  >Platt
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