[MD] New Age++

[Michael Hamilton]

Hi Ian,

Good post. I think that you and I differ in one, fairly small way. I
think that a full appreciation of the implications of "New
objectivity" (which is the acceptance of the objective fact of man's
participation in reality / conscious experience / Quality) may mean
that, the next time we're foraging in the New Age hippy dustbin, we
decide to salvage a little more than 1%. I'd put it closer to 5% at
the very least :)

Regards,
Mike

On 1/9/06, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gav, Ant and Mike, et al,
>
> This is interesting territory. I made the link between "New Age" and
> Mike's "New Objectivity" in the EDGE thread.
>
> As Ant points out the issue here (with which Gav is totally
> comfortable, ironically at least) is the pejorative rhetorical use of
> "New Age", forever consigning its advocates to being seen as weird
> hippie types, way off the socio-politico-intellectual (and academic)
> mainstream.
>
> Conscious dreaming (and similar "myths and legends") reflect the
> endurance of the concepts, and suggest the grain of truth somewhere,
> even if it's largely a psychological truth. Whilst I'm sympathetic, eg
> I called myself New-Age+++, I still believe 99% of what is written
> about new-agey ideas is 99% bullshit - the powers of pyramids,
> chrystals, astrology, etc. What I do not discount though, is the
> reality of some aspect of consciousness beyond the single human brain.
> (My favourite Nobel-prize winner, Brian Josephson, about whom I've
> blogged many times, similarly defends against those "scientists" who
> 100% consign the 99% bullshit to the scientific trashcan, as a reflex
> move prior to any kind of analysis.)
>
> Talking of conscious dreaming, recall that the closing lines of my MoQ
> Conference paper were a quote from T E Lawrence "All men dream: but
> not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their
> minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of
> the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open
> eyes, to make it possible."
>
> My interest is, of course, to rescue the grains of non-GOF-objective
> truth (New-Age+++) from the new-age trash-can and hippie-communes, and
> rehabilitate it into the new-objective mainstream.
>
> Finally, by coincidence, my wife Sylvia, bought me everything
> available from Bill Hicks on CD for Christmas. I didn't recall
> dropping any hints - honest :-)
>
> Ian
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