[MD] Guerrilla: The Taking of Patty Hearst

[ian glendinning]

Agreed Erin,

"Good intentions" are necessary but not sufficient.
(I did miss your point originally.)

I understand, but I'll need to think about the romaticized perceptions
angle, before I come back to you.

Ian

On 1/10/06, Erin <er11n00nan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ian,
>  I don't think intent to good doesn't matter.  I was saying that it isn't enough to shield you from cult thinking.
>  Yes I know about truth of paradoxes but I find that some people can cut through bullshit better than others and I am interested in what underlies that intellectual ability.
>  The people of the cult thought of themselves as intelligent, as doing good but they were a joke and couldn't see it.
>  Why are some people more resistant to cultish thinking? is anybody resistant to cultish thinking or is that perception illusion?
>
>  Erin
>
> ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Erin,
>
> I've not seen the film, and have only vague recollections of (and no
> sympathies for) the SLA.
>
> But I've said may times that "intent" is a key axis in determining the
> quality of any "interaction" (Any interaction involving intentional
> entities, like people, anyway.) You'll find it in my original 2000
> Manifesto.
>
> WHY someone says or does something is morally / quality-wise as
> important as WHAT they say or do. I'm a firm believer in that. The
> problem has always been pinning down that ineffable quality in a world
> that expects GOF-objective evidence. MoQ and "new-objectivism" to the
> rescue.
>
> The main risk here, is the rhetoricians bandying about pejorative
> rejoinders like "The road to hell is paved .... with good intentions".
> (But every aphorism has it's contradictory opposite, so I wouldn't
> worry.)
>
> Ian
>
> On 1/9/06, Erin Noonan wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I sent this yesterday but it never showed up...sorry if it gets repeated.
> > Anyone seen this film and would like to discuss it in terms of MOQ?
> > It shows many topics that are discussed here and the director Robert Stone was making the film while Sept 11 happened and tries to show it as moral forces working in the world than just historical events. I thought it seemed like a fair film and R. Little and P. Hearst did too from what I heard so that is a good sign it is pretty balanced veiwpoint.
> >
> > If it is not intelligence, not your intent to do good, what is your best defense against cult thinking ...at this moment "compassionate understanding" that this director is showing... maybe its something else for others?
> >
> > "SLA (Symbionese Liberation Army) really romanticized themselves as these RobinHood figures. They never perceived themselves as terrorists at all. They really thought of themselves as guerrillas. People who do bad things generally do think of themselves in a positive light. They think that they are doing good and I think that is important to understand." Robert Stone
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> > Erin
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