[MD] Sobjectivism

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Mike, Gav and All.

On 10 Jan. you wrote:

> Ian and I have been bandying around the term "new-objectivity" to
> describe the objective fact of the subject's participation in Quality
> / reality. It occured to me that it could just as accurately be termed
> "new-subjectivity", i.e. the objective fact that reality is
> inextricably linked to consciousness and the subject.

Why not just the S/O distinction?
 
> Seeing what a mess that last paragraph was, I'd like to suggest a
> horrible little piece of terminology in place of "new-objectivity":
> "sobjectivity".

Your "brainstorms" continues and you have your lucid moments, 
but .....  ;-) 

> Into the "sobjective" category fall qualia: smells, tastes, colours,
> the immediate value-experience. 

Right, before the 4th level (at the 3rd) "qualities" were experience 
itself and the reason why ZMM identified the ancient Aretê with 
his own Quality.  

> The sobjective category also contains
> the aesthetic experience of intellectually constructing subjects and
> objects, e.g. imagining an atom or imagining a tree falling in a
> forest. 

Well, the S/O distinction is a value level and surely has its 
rewards, the thing is that it doesn't work as a metaphysics, 
displayed in the next paragraph.    

> The thing to realise (and here's where I push the boat out) is
> that everything that exists exists in the sobjective realm, for the
> sobjective realm is Quality itself. I believe Gav meant the same thing
> when he said:

> > everything *is* because of consciousness.
> > consciousness is the 'space' things exist in; the
> > awareness that is a prerequisite for anyting to 'be'.

I hoped that you were out to correct Gav for this SOM-based 
nonsense about everything existing through consciousness (in 
our minds), but it looks like you vouch for it. Will we never 
understand that subjectivism and objectivism separately are 
faulty and the very reason for rejecting SOM?

I know that subjectivism has become the fad and I act the Dutch 
boy who tried to plug the holes in the dike, but for how long can I 
single-handed stem the tide? 

Bo