[MD] Where have all the values gone?

[Erin]

  Mike,
  First there is the factor of population..In bars in small towns where regulars visit I can see that still happening. 
  Second is the personality factor which some people like the anonymity more populated places have to offer which . 
  Third I would like to break down conversation into "chit-chat" types into more deeper meaningful conversations.  Are conversations becoming more selective/more intimate/deeper or not?
  Related factor...intimacy.  I could see the counterargument that it isn't the loss of chit-chat to be mourned but a gain of more intimate conversations.
   
  Erin
   
  Michael Hamilton <thethemichael at gmail.com> wrote:
  Erin,

I think the shift can be examplified by the fact that a typical person
a hundred years ago would, when entering a public space such as a bar,
expect to make friendly conversation with complete strangers. Now,
while some people still do this today, the overall trend is that this
person will enter that public space with a few known friends and talk
only to them, or if this person is alone, he or she will order a
drink, and then sit and fiddle with his or her mobile phone.

Am I on the mark, Arlo?

Regards,
Mike

On 1/12/06, Erin wrote:
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> ARLO: Now, lest I have to fend off a "so Arlo is saying all private ownership is bad" I'll say upfront I believe no such thing. But the impetus to villify all
> public or community ownership underscores again the "out of kilter" aspect of a
> culture with, as Pirsig indicates, no way to regulate
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> ERIN: You really love all this "pure/ all this" talk problem its never said so you may just be fending off the arguments of your imaginary audience but to me this dishonest because you make it sound I am making "all" statements when I am not.
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> ARLO: But, perhaps you can offer some insight as to the cultural shift, either in public-private space valuation or the de-valuation of craftsmanship. Why do you feel such changes occured?
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> ERIN: Individualistic cultures developed in the west and they continue to influence and be influenced by collectivistic cultures so there are probably shifts everywhere....the times they are achangin.
> Technology has offered more sophisticated "castles of isolation". I could go on and on but not really clear what you are looking for..I haven't really agreed to your "shift" idea because I find it too vague.
> Public engagement is changing ...e.g. internet but that isn't less..just different. Part of this "shift" that you see is population growth....smaller communities everybody knows everybody so that public engagement while going to the store is different than bigger cities.
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> As for the devaluation of craftmanship...... depends on the product personally I don't care if my chairs have curlycues on the legs or my clothing is handstiched. Some products I do value better craftmanship and they seem to be available. I do regret the changes in architecture though.
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> It's hard for me to answer because I don't know what exactly is the shift you mean...i see things changing but don't see a clear shift...just don't know what you are looking for.
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