[MD] Emergent Consciousness

[Joseph Maurer]

On Saturday O1 July 2006 9:58 AM Ham writes to Platt

[Platt]> You ended your post by saying "Good luck to all" indicating to me 
 >that you might be signing off permanently. I earnestly hope that is not the
> case because you are a clear voice of sanity in an otherwise cacophony
> of Marxist, socialist, left-wing, collectivist blather.

[Ham] Thanks for the kind words of encouragement, Platt. Indeed, I have
considered signing off permanently, which for the majority here would be
getting rid of a nuisance. But, to provide an example of "personal honor"
for Arlo, I'll wait to be pushed off. Besides, the challenge is too
enticing. When I do leave I'll bid 'adieu', not 'good luck'.

Meantime, keep up the good work!

Hi Ham and Platt and all,

I also hope it is not the case that you are signing off permanently! The 
atmosphere created by your decisive insights into the individual is 
appreciated. IMO an evolution (change) in consciousness, is as meaningful 
for the individual as cosmic evolution (change) (tsunami) for the planet. I 
disagree with your view of existence as a part of an 'essence, nothingness, 
existence' triad. IMO existence is the structure of law. I am impressed with 
Horse's last post.

IMO the intellectual level is the law-giver level, e.g. Moses. Structure is 
seen in laws. For that reason I applaud the recent Supreme Court ruling that 
the Congress is the proper creator for judgement tribunals at Guantanamo, 
not the individual, the President,

Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ham Priday" <hampday1 at verizon.net>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Emergent Consciousness


>
> Hi Platt --
>
>> Great post! It amazes me that liberals here can easily change Pirsig's
>> social level to include atoms, ants and antelopes even though Pirsig
>> explicitly and repeatedly stated that his social level is for humans
>> only. But, when I suggest that his intellectual level might better be
>> designated as the individual level to include principled individuals
>> and to emphasize the ongoing battle for dominance between the free-
>> thinking individual and the conformist collective, you would think I
>> had personally nailed Jesus to the cross.
>
> To the contrary, they would have been delighted had you nailed Jesus to 
> the
> cross.  Isn't it interesting that you and I are portrayed as "weird" and
> "desperate" for being chained to individuality, while all the diatribes 
> come
> from those who claim to have "de-mythologized" theirs?   They seem to be
> telling us that life in the collective mind is not such a happy one.
>
>> You ended your post by saying "Good luck to all" indicating to me that
>> you might be signing off permanently. I earnestly hope that is not the
>> case because you are a clear voice of sanity in an otherwise cacophony
>> of Marxist, socialist, left-wing, collectivist blather.
>
> Thanks for the kind words of encouragement, Platt.  Indeed, I have
> considered signing off permanently, which for the majority here would be
> getting rid of a nuisance.  But, to provide an example of "personal honor"
> for Arlo, I'll wait to be pushed off.  Besides, the challenge is too
> enticing.  When I do leave I'll bid 'adieu', not 'good luck'.
>
> Meantime, keep up the good work!
>
> Regards,
> Ham
>
>
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