[MD] Distinguishing Levels (Individual level)

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting Case <Case at iSpots.com>:

> [Case]
> So how do you account for the scientific consensus that there is a problem?

That's just it, there is no "scientific consensus."

> [Platt]
> What threat? Capitalism has already made the U.S. the cleanest nation 
> in the world. Now if the environmentalists would just let us build 
> atomic electric plants like in Europe we'd be cleaner still. :-) And we 
> could sure use some more oil refineries.
> 
> [Case]
> You said the continued 'betterness' in evolution was assured because human
> beings have the ability to prevent big rocks from falling out of the sky and
> ruining our day. I asked how capitalism would address a collective problem
> of this sort. 

Sorry. I thought you were talking about the environment. I think governments 
would necessarily have to lead the way in preventing big rocks from falling on us,
relying on the entrenpreneurs of capitalism to do the job.

> Why would you want to pepper the land with power plants that produce waste
> products that can kill anything that comes near it for the next 40,000
> years? 

Bury the waste or send it into the great beyond.

> As for refineries, why would you want to encourage continued reliance on an
> energy source that is guaranteed to run out soon, is controlled by people
> who hate us and appears to be escalating in cost with no end in sight?

Run out soon. You must be kidding. Who have you been listening to? Oh, what a 
second, let me guess. Old fear monger himself.

> [Platt]
> Whatever. I think the theory is a cop out anyway. Evolutionists really 
> can't explain sudden bursts of species formation any more than they can 
> explain "Why evolve?" There are lots of holes in Darwinian theory.
> 
> [Case]
> How would you explain sudden burst of species formation?
> Things evolve because the alternative is to die. Lots of things do that.
> It's evolve or die. What is mysterious about that? What holes are you
> talking about?

I can't explain sudden burst of species formation. The mystery is why get born if
it just leads to death? Finally, holes like there's no evidence in the fossil record
of gradualism.

> [Platt]
> How do you test to see if all crows are black?
> 
> [Case]
> You continue making the statement with confidence until you find one that is
> not. So what?

You call that a test?

> [Platt]
> Are you saying your description isn't absolutely true? Sounds to me 
> like you are absolutely convinced. :-) But, I'll retract the question 
> since we've been around this block so many times before. You say there 
> are no absolutes, I say there are except in the highest realms of 
> philosophical discourse, as Matt Kundert kindly pointed out to me some 
> time ago. 
> 
> [Case]
> Something can be true by definition. I was providing my understanding of a
> definition. It was a conditional understanding and if you have a better
> definition or an example of such a truth, I am listening but as it stands I
> find the idea of Absolute Truth just plain silly.

I guess you think it's silly that you were born. Or that existence exists and
we are here to talk about it.





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