[MD] Probability

pholden at davtv.com pholden at davtv.com
Thu Jul 13 10:15:24 PDT 2006


Quoting Case <case at ispots.com>:

> [Case]
> If you mean “Certain beyond a reasonable doubt,” then I am certain that
> nothing is certain in any “Absolute” sense.

Again you contradict yourself. Nothing is certain, but you are certain of that. 
Very strange.

> When you provide an example of “Absolute” certainty, maybe your questions
> along this line will make sense.

I did. Birth and death. Then Gene wondered if he was born. 

> If you have for example solved the
> “Clever Demons” problem or the “Brain in a Vat” problem, I would love to
> hear your solutions.

Sounds like a couple of fictional problems to me. But I'm game. What are those problems? 

> [Platt]
> "Conscious" is widely understood term. To say you don't know what it means
> suggests you're avoiding my question. Which is OK since you are not
> certain you
> have answer anyway.
> 
> [Case]
> “Consciousness” is a mine field. It can mean anything from being awake to
> oneness with the “Primary Source”.

Try a dictionary definition: "the quality or state of being aware." Are you 
certain you are conscious when you write a post to this site?

> I actually did address this in the original post of this thread: this is
> pretty much how I see it:
> 
> Human beings are possessors of the most complex chunks of matter in the
> known universe. Through them we are able to store information. I like
> computer metaphors so I think of this capability as a temporal buffer.
> That is, a place were past events are represented and reconstructed. This
> is experience. This capacity allows us to randomly access events from our
> pasts and reconstruct models of the future. It is through this process
> that we transcend the instant. We explore remembered pasts and speculate
> about possible futures.

Well, taking a cue from you, I'm not certain about all that.

> [Platt]
> Why is it evil to slash and clear cut the Amazon? You seem to be certain
> that it is despite your assertions that nothing is certain.
> 
> [Case]
> We have not gotten too a point where this sort of discussion would result
> in anything more than Snot Stew. How about we postpone it for a while?

Why beat around the bush? Let's get to it. 

> In the mean time why don't you go check out the Game of life exercises?
> You might actually enjoy playing with it.

Since I'm not certain I would, I'll pass for now.



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