[MD] The Individual Level

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Platt]
Publishing information that helps bilogical killers is a social pattern 
called treason.

[Arlo]
But they were "honest". That's my point. "Honesty" is a social level moral 
that must be weighed in depending on the social context. Like telling your 
spouse s/he hasn't gained weight, when that is not really "honest". I'm 
with you more than not on the NYT, by the way. I'm not sure I saw eminent 
danger to the public. So long as Congress was briefed and approved, the 
actions were likely legit, and the NYT made a grievous error. Had Congress 
NOT been briefed, then the potential threat of the exposure was worth it. 
Unaccountable executive power is a greater threat, no matter who is the 
president.

[Arlo previously]
These "social morals" must be weighed in "social context", and applied as 
is Good, something that a Quality Principled Person would be able to figure 
out.

[Platt]
A QPP like you, of course. Didn't you say something about a QQP being 
egoless? Bizarre.

[Arlo]
I think we should all strive to be a QPP, wouldn't you say? Isn't that more 
valuable a quest than proclaiming self-righteous superiority based on blind 
adherence to a few Victorian social morals?

But my point was that someone who was Quality-Principled would know when to 
apply particular social morals, and when to NOT apply them. Or at the 
least, they wouldn't base their ego on some self-righteous adherence to 
static social level morals.

I'm also curious why you think the QPP denies "seeking a place "to be alone 
and quiet and inconspicuous"? I don't personally recall this from Pirsig, 
but I find no contradiction between the QPP and this value. Indeed, if you 
can cite for me where Pirsig mentions this as a trait of someone in touch 
with Quality, I'll be glad to amend my definition.

So, I'm going to repost this again, and ask you specifically where you feel 
it diverges from Pirsig. Specifically, which of these qualities do you feel 
is "liberal"?

[Arlo's proposed definition based on ZMM]
A "Quality principled person" is someone who respects the oneness of life. 
S/he is patient, egoless and possesses a "beginner's mind". S/he holds her 
values flexibley, and can be seen as filled with gumption. S/he dislikes 
specialization, and is an excellect all-arounder. In her/his work, she 
demonstrates no division between art and practice, and her/his work can be 
seen as possessing beauty because of their unselfconscious way of looking 
at things.