[MD] Probability

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting Case <case at ispots.com>:

> >> [Case]
> >> If you mean “Certain beyond a reasonable doubt,” then I am certain that
> >> nothing is certain in any “Absolute” sense.
> 
> [Platt]
> > Again you contradict yourself. Nothing is certain, but you are certain of
> > that.
> > Very strange.
> 
> [Case]
> The statement above is not even paradoxical. I am certain beyond a
> reasonable doubt that nothing is absolutely certain. This refers to too
> kind of certainty.
> 
> [Platt]
> >
> > I did. Birth and death. Then Gene wondered if he was born.
> 
> [Case]
> I ignored response since it did not appeared to have been very well
> thought out.
> 
> >[Case]
> >> If you have for example solved the
> >> “Clever Demons” problem or the “Brain in a Vat” problem, I would love to
> >> hear your solutions.
> 
> [Platt]
> > Sounds like a couple of fictional problems to me. But I'm game. What are
> > those problems?
> 
> [Case]
> These are fairly well defined problems in Philosophy. You might try
> Googleing them. The best fictional example of the brain in a vat problem
> would be the Matrix. But a simlar example comes up in evolutionary theory
> in the case of those who hold to the idea that wen God created the earth
> he included fossiles to confound the wicked. The Clever demoons arguement
> is found in Descartes. His solution I believe was one the order that God
> would not let this occur.
> 
> These are basically variation of Solopsism which not philosopher has
> refuted but none have embraced.
> 
> The only way I can see that you could cling to an idea like absolute
> certainty is be not thinking about it much.
> 
> >> [Case]
> >> “Consciousness” is a mine field. It can mean anything from being awake
> >> to oneness with the “Primary Source”.
> >
> > Try a dictionary definition: "the quality or state of being aware." Are
> > you certain you are conscious when you write a post to this site?
> >
> >> I actually did address this in the original post of this thread: this is
> >> pretty much how I see it:
> >>
> >> Human beings are possessors of the most complex chunks of matter in the
> >> known universe. Through them we are able to store information. I like
> >> computer metaphors so I think of this capability as a temporal buffer.
> >> That is, a place were past events are represented and reconstructed.
> >> This
> >> is experience. This capacity allows us to randomly access events from
> >> our
> >> pasts and reconstruct models of the future. It is through this process
> >> that we transcend the instant. We explore remembered pasts and speculate
> >> about possible futures.
> >
> > Well, taking a cue from you, I'm not certain about all that.
> >
> >> [Platt]
> >> Why is it evil to slash and clear cut the Amazon? You seem to be certain
> >> that it is despite your assertions that nothing is certain.
> >>
> >> [Case]
> >> We have not gotten too a point where this sort of discussion would
> >> result in anything more than Snot Stew. How about we postpone it for a
> while?
> 
> [Platt]
> > Why beat around the bush? Let's get to it.
> 
> [Case]
> Because it will just be a matter of beating around the bush. We have no
> common ground for discussing this.
> 
> 
> In the mean time why don't you go check out the Game of life exercises?
> You might actually enjoy playing with it.
> 
> [Platt]
> > Since I'm not certain I would, I'll pass for now.
> 
> [Case]
> I am only asking for 15 mins of your time here to show you a concrete
> example of the kinds of things I have been talking about here. But I guess
> Gene was right.
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