[MD] Probability

[ian glendinning]

I like it Case,

You said "This uncertainty is Quality"

We're getting on thinnish ice as far as metaphors for quantum scale
issues and emergence at human scales, but I pretty much share that
view. Part of the reason I see MoQ fitting so well with the whole of
reality from the lowest level physics to the highest level evolving
intellect - combining so many other metaphors into a tempting whole.

I keep saying "interactions" are Quality too, and David M I think,
suggested I elaborate on that somewhere in this or a parallel thread.
I  must do so.

ie to link it to your uncertainty ... at the most fundamental levels
anyone has attempted to describe, reality is about "things happening"
(aka interactions), and the uncertainty is the cost of trying to pin
them down - (statically) selecting one half of a complementary
(dynamic) duality. This model recurs at every level from the micro
upwards, in a million eveolved human metaphors.

Ian

On 7/17/06, Case <Case at ispots.com> wrote:
> Platt said,
> "One might as well cite the Church as an authority on truth"
> [Ian]
> Remember Platt - Reason is a church too. No-one has actual "authority"
> just different ways of believing.
>
> I'm close to giving up on you (again) - people spend valuable effort
> explaining their views to you, but you never show the slightest
> inkling of building on even the very few points where you might agree
> - and your only response to that criticism is gain-saying (see your
> thread with Case). Playing devil's advocate is a rhetorical stance, no
> human could be that dumb, no flatworm could for that matter.
>
> [Case]
> I know little about flatworms, Ian, but I read this to an aquarium full of
> fish and not one seemed to disagree...
>
> OK, suppose there actually were an "Absolute Truth." Whatever is actually
> "known" about it has to be experienced or at least explained to everyone,
> everywhere. Will this communion with Absolute Truth affect all individuals
> equality or might some react to it differently than others? Because at the
> point that even two among you might disagree, truth becomes relative.
>
> ------------------------------
> But my original point was not about Absolute Truth or even probability. It
> was about Uncertainty. I maintain that uncertainty is a fundamental property
> of reality; formally so in the domains of physics and mathematics. ZMM
> Pirsig said Quality is undefined. I am adding that when something is
> undefined some aspect of it remains uncertain. This uncertainty is Quality.
>
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