[MD] Probability

[Joseph Maurer]

On Monday 17 July 2006 3:36 PM Case writes to Ian:

[Case]

But my original point was not about Absolute Truth or even probability. It
was about Uncertainty. I maintain that uncertainty is a fundamental property
of reality; formally so in the domains of physics and mathematics. ZMM
Pirsig said Quality is undefined. I am adding that when something is
undefined some aspect of it remains uncertain. This uncertainty is Quality.


Hi Case, Ian, and All,

In the modern esoteric literature of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Nicoll that I 
have read, structure plays an important role. Pirsig's study of Quality is 
important in that list for clarification. IMO the undefined aspect of 
quality occurs when levels of structure exist. The lower structure, though a 
part of the higher structure does not comprehend the higher structure, and 
the higher remains undefined to the lower.

Does probability apply in all structures?  IMO there are mystical 
connections between structures, in which probability does not apply, e.g. 
the social level, Child, Father, Mother is beyond probability and subject to 
law. Sounds like faith to me? IMO knowledge, understanding, and faith have 
different roots. For example the statement: 'The sun will rise tomorrow 
morning' is based in trust, not probability. Uncertainty in trust destroys 
trust. I trust he means what he says., etc.

Joe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Probability


> Platt said,
> "One might as well cite the Church as an authority on truth"
> [Ian]
> Remember Platt - Reason is a church too. No-one has actual "authority"
> just different ways of believing.
>
> I'm close to giving up on you (again) - people spend valuable effort
> explaining their views to you, but you never show the slightest
> inkling of building on even the very few points where you might agree
> - and your only response to that criticism is gain-saying (see your
> thread with Case). Playing devil's advocate is a rhetorical stance, no
> human could be that dumb, no flatworm could for that matter.
>
> [Case]
> I know little about flatworms, Ian, but I read this to an aquarium full of
> fish and not one seemed to disagree...
>
> OK, suppose there actually were an "Absolute Truth." Whatever is actually
> "known" about it has to be experienced or at least explained to everyone,
> everywhere. Will this communion with Absolute Truth affect all individuals
> equality or might some react to it differently than others? Because at the
> point that even two among you might disagree, truth becomes relative.
>
> ------------------------------
> But my original point was not about Absolute Truth or even probability. It
> was about Uncertainty. I maintain that uncertainty is a fundamental 
> property
> of reality; formally so in the domains of physics and mathematics. ZMM
> Pirsig said Quality is undefined. I am adding that when something is
> undefined some aspect of it remains uncertain. This uncertainty is 
> Quality.
>
>
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