[MD] Probability

[Peter Corteen]

Hi All,

Paraphrasing Case; when something becomes 100% certain then it happens, is
true and real. Another moment later it is history, gone, never to be
repeated. I am not a scientist but the way I read the famous Uncertainty
Principle it is about uncertainty in the now; that you can't evaluate all
properties of the particle simultaneously. I appreciate Case's trial of new
ideas but to say 'Uncertainty is Quality' does not have meaning for me.

Peter


n 22/07/06, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Gene, but I can't let this pass ...
>
> The "sun rising tomorrow" stuff is not just a matter of statistical
> probability or faith.
>
> There are "explanatory" models of "why" the sun will rise tomorrow (or
> any day), based on scientific explanations of what a DAY IS.
>
> It's a meta-faith, a meta-belief system. A consistent holistic (or
> consilient, to use the Whewell / Wilson term) system of "faith"
> (understanding) that supports the fact that it will rise tomorrow ...
>
> Barring statistical emergent outcomes of (things we can blame on) the
> Israelis' hob nail boots trampling over a mass of humanity and
> geography, the sun will rise. And we know "why".
>
> Ian
>
> On 7/22/06, Gene M <boredandunstable at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does probability apply in all structures?  IMO there are mystical
> > >
> > connections between structures, in which probability does not apply, e.g
> .
> > > the social level, Child, Father, Mother is beyond probability and
> subject
> > > to
> > > law. Sounds like faith to me? IMO knowledge, understanding, and faith
> have
> > > different roots. For example the statement: 'The sun will rise
> tomorrow
> > > morning' is based in trust, not probability. Uncertainty in trust
> destroys
> > > trust. I trust he means what he says., etc.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> >
> > I believe that both faith and probability can exist harmoniaously. I
> have
> > faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, because it is of a very high
> order of
> > probability. I trust the sun to rise, because it would be shocking if it
> > didn't. But the sun does not Absolutely have to rise, someday, it might
> just
> > not happen. And that could be okay too.
> >
> > Expectations cause far too many problems. The root of many evils and
> woes in
> > our lives.
> >
> > -Gene
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