[MD] Probability

[Joseph Maurer]

On Sunday 23 July 2006 2:20 PM David M writes to Joe;

[David M]

Surely our expectations about patterns is based on our
knowledge of that great universal: SQ?


Hi David and all,

Based on atomic weights a periodic table of elements and compounds has been 
constructed. This is SQ. Inorganic, organic, social, intellectual is a 
structure in DQ. Are structure and patterns undefined?  The structure 
determines the morality through DQ in the structure! Experience! Unless, of 
course, DQ/SQ evolution is nonsense, and Quality loses its bite. 
 >>---------->. (Arrow pointing!)

Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Probability


> Hi Joe
>
> Surely our expectations about patterns is based on our
> knowledge of that great universal: SQ?
>
> David M
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Probability
>
>
>> On Monday 17 July 2006 3:36 PM Case writes to Ian:
>>
>> [Case]
>>
>> But my original point was not about Absolute Truth or even probability. 
>> It
>> was about Uncertainty. I maintain that uncertainty is a fundamental
>> property
>> of reality; formally so in the domains of physics and mathematics. ZMM
>> Pirsig said Quality is undefined. I am adding that when something is
>> undefined some aspect of it remains uncertain. This uncertainty is
>> Quality.
>>
>>
>> Hi Case, Ian, and All,
>>
>> In the modern esoteric literature of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Nicoll that I
>> have read, structure plays an important role. Pirsig's study of Quality 
>> is
>> important in that list for clarification. IMO the undefined aspect of
>> quality occurs when levels of structure exist. The lower structure, 
>> though
>> a
>> part of the higher structure does not comprehend the higher structure, 
>> and
>> the higher remains undefined to the lower.
>>
>> Does probability apply in all structures?  IMO there are mystical
>> connections between structures, in which probability does not apply, e.g.
>> the social level, Child, Father, Mother is beyond probability and subject
>> to
>> law. Sounds like faith to me? IMO knowledge, understanding, and faith 
>> have
>> different roots. For example the statement: 'The sun will rise tomorrow
>> morning' is based in trust, not probability. Uncertainty in trust 
>> destroys
>> trust. I trust he means what he says., etc.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Probability
>>
>>
>>> Platt said,
>>> "One might as well cite the Church as an authority on truth"
>>> [Ian]
>>> Remember Platt - Reason is a church too. No-one has actual "authority"
>>> just different ways of believing.
>>>
>>> I'm close to giving up on you (again) - people spend valuable effort
>>> explaining their views to you, but you never show the slightest
>>> inkling of building on even the very few points where you might agree
>>> - and your only response to that criticism is gain-saying (see your
>>> thread with Case). Playing devil's advocate is a rhetorical stance, no
>>> human could be that dumb, no flatworm could for that matter.
>>>
>>> [Case]
>>> I know little about flatworms, Ian, but I read this to an aquarium full
>>> of
>>> fish and not one seemed to disagree...
>>>
>>> OK, suppose there actually were an "Absolute Truth." Whatever is 
>>> actually
>>> "known" about it has to be experienced or at least explained to 
>>> everyone,
>>> everywhere. Will this communion with Absolute Truth affect all
>>> individuals
>>> equality or might some react to it differently than others? Because at
>>> the
>>> point that even two among you might disagree, truth becomes relative.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> But my original point was not about Absolute Truth or even probability.
>>> It
>>> was about Uncertainty. I maintain that uncertainty is a fundamental
>>> property
>>> of reality; formally so in the domains of physics and mathematics. ZMM
>>> Pirsig said Quality is undefined. I am adding that when something is
>>> undefined some aspect of it remains uncertain. This uncertainty is
>>> Quality.
>>>
>>>
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