[MD] Oneness

[Heather Perella]

Hey gav and all,


[Case]
> Purpose is a purely human phenomenon. I think it is
> extremely valuable but I
> think we need to look to ourselves to find it not
> pawn it off on God or the
> Cosmos.

[gav]
we are god and the cosmos and so is that spanner over
there and that frog and that piece of
snot....everything. the universe is *one* (uni-) mate.
*we* in the sense you are talking of us are a bunch of
egos which are actually mostly unconscious ideas. WE
are actually much more than that.

     gav, I've discussed the 'we are one' concept and
others have as well, but for some reason, probably the
use of too much reason itself, the discussions tend to
veer away from this universe.  Some in this forum,
become some kind of separate entity that is capable of
thinking and feeling totally shut-off from the world. 

     Other cultures have monsters that walk the woods,
I don't think I see those monsters, but if I
considered what those monsters were, according to that
culture, I could find the reality of those monsters. 
To others this monster is all in their heads, but I
point out our heads our in this universe.  Just as
Phaedrus went along with Lila's doll as being a real
baby.  
     This is exactly why I know a blue-eyed monster
with a thousand stomachs exists with a thousand
butt-holes.  Desire is something not to mess with, too
much, or else this monster will be you, never
satisfied.  You may not see the monster the way I do,
but you may see desire, which is the monster.  So what
if I say the monster has a thousand butt-holes, at
least the meaning, which is very real, exists in this
universe.  If I dream it, then it has become alive and
well in this universe.  Is not my dream in this
universe, yes it is.  That's my point, the universe is
not separate from my dreaming, I do not live in a
bubble separated from the world.  My head does not
exist in a vacuum all to itself - oh, how lonely that
kind of world sounds.  
     Our dreaming is just another way to sense and
describe the world or in other words, our dreaming is
just another way to BRING sense and description to
this world.  Just as when I feel a rock and say its'
hard, I see desire and picture a thousand butt-holed
monster, and that monster is just as real as H2O. 
Yet, one can argue that we don't see H2O's dancing
around us when it rains, I've heard children say rain
is tears from heaven.  Tears could be a better
description than H2O.  At least tears and rain are
both what we call: wet, and tears come from our eyes,
so what eyes roam high above in the sky?  Maybe it's
that one billion eyed monster I heard about from the
whispering leaves that shake about during
thunderstorms as the tears pound the greenery into a
humble hug absorbing all the sadness into flowers that
will bloom with joy tomorrow.  
     Yet, I'm only part of this universe, dreaming
away, feeling the wind, and being sad and happy at
times, it all depends.


SA

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