[MD] Oneness

[Case]

[gav]
understanding the 'tat tvam asi' concept is fundamental to understanding
pirsig and the MOQ.

we ARE the universe because we are infinite and there is only one infinite,
comprendez?

equally of course everything we perceive is the whole universe because
everything is infinite.

[Case]
This sounds a bit like Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew
you, And before you were born I consecrated you;" a strange idea indeed. The
only sense in which I can see us as part of the infinite is so broad as to
be useless. Kind of like nihilism with a smiley face.

[gav]
atoms exist only as ideas, not as phenomena. perception is fractal and of
infinite depth of detail.

[Case]
In what sense is perception infinite?

[gav]
we are, along with everything else, also PART of the universe. we are
*simultaneously* part and whole. We are also composed of parts that are
wholes themselves also (eg organs, tissues, cells).

the universe is an organism, not a machine. Organisms communicate
instantaneously. they are quantum coherent systems.  mae wan-ho has done a
lot of work here: see 'the rainbow and the worm'.

[Case]
So what does she say about this?

[gav]
therefore we see a universe in which everything has maximal freedom and
maximal cohesion. everything is an autonomous whole and a totally integrated
part, simultaneously.

[Case]
If you turn the coin over you will see a universe, fragmented and at war
with itself.