[MD] Distinguishing Levels (Individual level)
Arlo Bensinger
ajb102 at psu.edu
Mon Jun 5 12:17:43 PDT 2006
[Platt]
Our minds are only united by a common language. Our intellectual patterns
are as separate and distinct as a cat from an amoeba.
[Arlo]
Intellectual patterns are not the property of you or me, any more than I am
the property of my cells. Calculus does not belong to any "individual".
[Arlo previously]
There are individuals on the intellectual level. Individual intellectual
patterns include the Law of Gravity, Calculus, the MOQ and Quantum Physics.
[Platt]
Did you not get my saying HUMAN individuals, not individual intellectual
patterns as you assert. To you intellectual patterns float around at the
intellectual level, soulless and brainless, free of any connection to you
or me or the man behind the tree. Ridiculous. You can't have thoughts
without a human brain.
[Arlo]
And you can't have a human brain without cells. And cells without atoms.
And atoms without protons. That "intellectual patterns" depend on brains as
hardware no more makes them a property of the brain, than the fact that the
brain relies on cells makes the brain a property of cells. This is basic
emergent stuff, Platt.
[Arlo previously]
So, inorganic particles are not ruled by "predictable behavior", but cats
are. But people are not?
[Platt]
All levels above the quantum, including cats and people, behave
predictably. Otherwise, no science and no static patterns, Just chaos.
[Arlo]
I prefer Pirsig, there are "very consistent patterns of preferences" that
make up what we call "static quality". By the way, I'm not sure what kind
of cat you have, but mine is hardly an automaton of predictable behavior.
She makes decisions, dynamically, based on "it's better here" every day.
I'm sorry to hear UTOE behaves as a predictable robot. By the way, I notice
here too you say that people behave predictably? How can that be if we can
respond to DQ? I thought that "behaving predictably" was your argument for
things being incapable of responding to DQ?
Arlo
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