[MD] Fw: Distinguishing Levels

[David M]

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From: "David M" <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk>
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Distinguishing Levels


> DMB: It was a tool put in the service of social values. Back then, 
> such quasi-intellectual tools were still embedded in the social realm. 
> 
> 
> DM: Interesting that you have to say 'quasi', maybe we should
> just say plain old intellectual tools. So these tools are available
> to support social values. The 4th level perhaps comes when
> individuals or groups are able to use these tools against static
> social structures to create the possibility of being individuals rather
> than a member of a caste or class. Although to argue against
> myself, in traditional pre-intellectual societies, do not the higher
> classes or royalty have enough freedom to become individuals
> determining their own destinies to some extent? 
> 
> Sure Pirsig's suggestion is useful and sure there is evolution
via levels but I am not sure social/intellectual is the only aspect
of the 3rd/4th level split, it seems more complex.