[MD] Mill: Quality & what is freedom?

[David M]

Mike

What you say below captures what I am trying to say.

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hamilton" <thethemichael at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Mill: Quality & what is freedom?


> Ian,
>
> Good example, and very different from what I had in mind when writing,
> which is encouraging! I was thinking of everday living, where we need
> to 'stop' for a moment, for instance by taking a walk or meditating,
> in order for inspiration to strike (as Pirsig describes in ZMM). More
> specifically, I was thinking of chess. During a chess game, I build up
> all kind of static baggage - plans, sections of the board to focus on,
> anxieties. And these are useful. But they can also prevent you from
> seeing surprising possibilities, or even prevent you from seeing
> obvious things like the rook on the other side of the board that you
> could be capturing. So it's vital to stop scheming from time to time,
> and just look around.
>
> On 6/5/06, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> David, Mike, ...
>>
>> That "clearing" is what I see in evolutionary terms as the "nurture"
>> counterbalance to the "nature" of tooth and claw competition.
>>
>> New (DQ) things need protection / segregation from established (SQ)
>> things in order to develop their potential.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 6/4/06, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Hi Mike
>> >
>> > Yeah, seems to me that putting the SQ to one side
>> > and creating a sort of clearing is required to allow
>> > DQ a chance to enter the empty 'space' created.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > David M
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Michael Hamilton" <thethemichael at gmail.com>
>> > To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:54 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [MD] Mill: Quality & what is freedom?
>> >
>> >
>> > > David,
>> > >
>> > > I think that was a very insightful post. I esecially like thsi part:
>> > > -------------
>> > > Of course, making choices implies being aware that there are
>> > > different possible futures available to choose between. So how
>> > > free you are depends on your grasp of what is possible, being
>> > > stuck with common sense or what counts for normal behaviour
>> > > in your society may be making you a lot less free than you could be.
>> > >
>> > > In this way you are limited by the reach of your imagination.
>> > > --------------
>> > >
>> > > I think that imagination is one example of DQ in action - the 
>> > > creation
>> > > of new static patterns of value. Having a "grasp of what is possible"
>> > > is particularly vital. I think it implies something like
>> > > open-mindedness. If we constantly jump mechanically from one static
>> > > pattern to another, we become blinded to new possibilities. A good
>> > > "grasp of what is possible" involves not just a wide static
>> > > repertoire, but also involves remembering to just stop and take a 
>> > > look
>> > > around occasionally. That way, the possibilities can just flood in
>> > > from time to time.
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