[MD] Distinguishing Levels

david buchanan dmbuchanan at hotmail.com
Sat Jun 10 14:33:48 PDT 2006


Pirsig said:
"One can also call ants and bees "social" insects, but for purposes of 
precision in the MOQ social patterns should be defined as human and 
subjective. Unlike cells and bees and ants they cannot be detected with an 
objective scientific instrument.  For example there is no objective 
scientific instrument that can distinguish between a king and commoner, 
because the difference is social."

Arlo objected:
...here Pirsig makes a serious mistatement. He's saying that we should not 
include ants within the social level because they are objective and 
detactable by scientific instruments, but this is a serious MOQ mistake.  
...For a more emphasized example, consider primates. What scientific 
instrument can detect the difference between the "alpha male" and a 
"commoner"?

dmb says:
A scale. The alpha male will be bigger. A video camera might be a good way 
to document the fact that the alpha male is getting a lot more nookie than 
the commoners. Ah, its good to be the king!

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