[MD] Platt's Individual Level

[Peter Corteen]

Hi Steve,

I just finished the SODV transciption: Pirsig contradicted himself in what
was for me his most striking paragraph: he said 'the world is composed of
three things: mind, matter and quality'. A few sentences later he says: '
Quality is not a thing; it is an event'. His contradictory use of the word
'thing'  was probably accidental and I only noticed because I reread the
paragraph several times. My point is that language is has it's limits; so if
Pirsig said ''For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say that the intellectual
level is the same as mind.'  that does not mean that mind is the
intellectual level, it still includes the social level.

Regard

Peter

On 18/06/06, Steve Peterson <vincentedisonluther at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi Peter,
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> Peter said:
> earlier someone said 'For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say that the
> intellectual level is the same as mind.'
> I dont see it mentioned in these forums that Pirsig first divided static
> quality into mind and matter or subjects and objects before further
> subdividing these two. So the mind is also the site of activity of the
> social level and is not just the intellectual level.
> Steve:
> That is a quote from Pirsig. A member of this discussion group named Dan
> Glover published a book called Lila's Child based on early discussions on
> moq.org. Pirsig made comments on the discussions and the notes you are
> referring to are his notes. The book is available through amazon.com.
>
> As the notes indicate, Pirsig intended to equate the intellectual level
> with thinking. Be aware that Platt has his own philosophy of the individual
> where the 4th level is the individual level. Pirsig considers the individual
> to be a collection of static patterns of all four types with the ability to
> respond to DQ, so you can see that Platt is talking about something
> completely different when he equates the individual with just the fourth
> level that should not be confused with the moq. At least that's what I've
> been trying to point out to Platt in this thread.
>
> As for whether the social level is also the site of activity of the mind,
> it depends on what you mean by mind. Pirsig defined intellect as the
> manipulation of abstract symbols that stand for patterns of experience, and
> this sort of thinking is what he means by mind.
>
> Remember that though the levels correspond to types of people, they are
> actually collections of patterns of value of four types in an evolutionary
> hierarchy. With the intellectual level, Pirsig is describing the type of
> value that holds an idea together, and intellectual patterns of value refer
> to patterns of thought.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
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